object, I might from feelings of perhaps false the support and confidence of the House. may, perhaps, be suspected delicacy and false pride, have considered the (Hear, hear.) demand of Such pledges as implying suspicion of taking a partial view of the conduct of my of my conduct, and might have refused to phon. Friends! Undoubtedly long habits of Igive themis Butal gave those pledges to the private anil public regard have grown out of individuals whom I have the honour to repre- that intimate knowledge which I have sent, because they all wished for the Reformer nearly a quarter Bill, although in my own opinion it favour, than I had conceived it possible could valled. But, Sir, has the Reform Bill, which was agreed to by this House after such long pends trust that, if by the vote of this night, and such frequent discussions, has it prevented and by the confidence reposed int him by this my honourable Friends from doing any-thing House, my noble Friend should preserve, as I else for the beneût of the country during the trust in God he may (hear), his station at the last twelve months? Have the poor of the head of the affairs of this country, he will country derived no benefit from the taking off hereafter abandon that too temporising policy the tax upon coals and candles? Has the which has in some instances marked the meawill not moral, and thinking, and reflecting part of the sures of his administration. (Hear, hear.) community, no cause for satisfaction in the This advice I trust my repeal of the Game Laws, which, in spite of despise; for I can assure is the the exertions of the humane and enlightened, opinion of many Uther staunch friends of the had combined, session after session, to defy present Government. of feel the less scruple the strenuons and repeated attempts made to in expressing it as there is hardly any service not prepared to perform for his Procure their abolition ? Has the suitor in White Government, except that of taking Chancery gained nothing by the gigantic meaures of that great man, of whose almost an official situation under them. Sir, in speaking of the merits of my noble Friend the super-human eloquence in another place will not speak has the suitor in Chancery Lord Chancellor, homitted to state one or two much to redound as gained nothing by those gigantic efforts to things which clear the Augean, stable of all that accumu and which I have described. I omitted to lated load which has so long, oppressed the atlearned Lord's honour as any of those unfortunate suitor in that court? These, Sir, state that, with a generosity inferior only to are some of the grounds on which I think my his seuse of public duty, he reduced the emohon. Friends near me have a right to claim luments of his situation to 7,0004.; emolu scarcely audible in the gallery, seconded the motion; and expressed his hope that, by tak→ ing this decided step, the House would contribute to the preservation of public tranquillity. ments which arising from fees in bankruptcy, | I allude; but, consistently with what is due in a former year accumulated as we have been to our own opinion-consistently with what is told to 23,000l. And in establishing a Court due to the recorded sense of this House of Bankruptcy he has refused, in compensa- consistently with what is due to the pledge tion of the sacrifice which he has made, any which I have given to my constituents-conaddition to his retiring pension. Sir, in as-sistently with what I conceive to be my duty serting the right of my noble Friend and my to my country-I will, trespassing no longer honourable Friends to the confidence of the upon your patience, move the following ResoHouse and the country, I have put other mat- |lution :-"That while this House deeply laters more forward than the great measure, the "ments the recent fate of the Bill for reformloss of which we are considering to-night,|“ing the Representation, in favour of which because their services in those particulars are "the opinion of the country stands unequivoless generally known; and because I wish to cally pronounced, and which passed this establish their claim to the confidence of the" House after being matured by discussions House, to that confidence which I am sure" the most anxious and laborious, it feels the country will echo, as well on their other called upon to re-assert its firm admiration measures as on that great and all-important" of the principal and leading provisions of measure, without which I readily admit all the that great measure; and of expressing its rest would be of no avail; and which, when-"confidence in the integrity, perseverance, and ever it takes effect, as I trust it will after no "ability of those Ministers who, in the introvery long delay (hear, hear), if the people are "ducing and conducting of that measure, have orderly and quiet, and if his Majesty's Go-"so well consulted the best interests of the vernment are firm and persevering (hear," country." (Hear, hear, hear.) hear), will consolidate and confirm all the Sir C. DUNDAS, in a low tone of voice, other blessings of the British Constitution. Sir, in these remarks I have avoided saying anything, and in what remains I shal! dwell as shortly as possible on what has passed in another place. (Hear, hear.) I can have no wish, I am sure I have no wish, to speak harshly of Sir ROBERT PEEL could but regret that the the Members of the other House of Parliament. hon. and gallant Member should think it neThere are many among them individuals, cessary to put a hypothetical case of establishwho, I conceive, have taken a most unfortuing a government of the sword. (Hear, hear.) nate and mistaken view of this great sub Such hypothetical assumptions of governments ject, but who, I am sure, are as incapable of established of the sword was like the pouring giving a dishonest or corrupt vote on any of oil, of which the learned Member had just question as I hope I am myself. The same spoken, (cheers), it was pouring the oil of credit which I claim on such points, I am the sword on the stormy waves of our present willing, and am indeed bound, to give to all discoutent (cheers), when honourable memwho composed the recent majority of the House bers said that they wished that the angry of Lords. (Hear, hear.) There was one of passions might be soothed, and that the exthat majority, by far the most able, the most cited feelings of the people might be calmed. eloquent, and the most enlightened, of all the He had meant to take no other part in this opponents of the measure-I am sure no one discussion than was necessary to vindicate can mistake the individual to whom I allude; his own consistency in the vote he should one to whom I am attached [here the noble give, and he should not have departed from Lord was much moved], not more by the ties that determination, had not the speeches of family connexion than by those of the lately made formed such a signal contrast to greatest respect and affection; a man distin- the speech of the noble Lord who opened the guished by everything most amiable, by debate, and the hon. Member who seconded everything most honourable and disinterested the motion. The noble Lord meant by proin the human character. (Hear, hear.) He, posing his resolution to pledge the majority I am sure, has on this, as on every other occa who had passed the bill to adhere to its prinsion in his life, been swayed by no other than ciples. The noble Lord naturally expected than the purest and most patriotic motives; that the Members who voted in that majority by the conviction that in the course he was would vote for his resolution; and naturally taking he was consulting that which has been perceived that those who voted against the bill, the sole object of his political career-the best were precluded by that from acceding to his interests of his country. I say this of my no-resolution. When the learned gentleman who ble friend; and I am sure I am not disposed had just spoken said nothing had been uttered to speak disrespectfully or unkindly of those on the principle of the resolution, did be exwho coincided with my uoble Friend in opi-pect, did the House expect, after the long disnion. And I trust those of my honourable Friends who may follow me will allow me respectfuly to urge my earnest request that they will exercise the same forbearance. (Hear, hear.) I have practised this forbearance from the respect which I feel for the body to which cussion of what the honourable and learned Gentleman called disgusting and weary details of the bill; did the honourable and learned Member expect that on that occasion they were to renew the whole debate on the question of Parliamentary reform? Those who would now vote for the resolution had already be most unfortunate if his Majesty had no proved their approbation of the principle of other alternative to pass the bill but to create reform; and he must consider it quite unne-a number of Peers. He said that every other cessary that those should again agitate the measure ought to be adopted in preference to subject who had expressed their opinions by that, and that such an alternative should be voting against the second reading of the bill. only had recourse to if all other means failed; The object should rather be, to place the sub- he was anxious that the House should not jectat rest; and he did not think the agitation | despair, and thought that there was yet time was likely to be calmed by again renewing to avoid the difficulty by meeting the Peers the discussion. It would be more meet, un-half-way. (Hear, hear.) But if he entertained der the present circumstances, to use the lan-any hope of that, was his course wise? Why, guage of wise moderation. The great majority the resolution he proposed cut off all hope for of the House had no occasion to prove, by the ever of moving one step toward reconciliation. present resolution, their attachment to reform; The. honourable Gentleman has a strange and they would best support the constitution, policy, for while he recommends the House and best secure their own view of being very to go half-way, he recommends it steadily to moderate, and calming the excited feelings of adhere to the bill. (Cheers) He hoped to the people on this important subject, by voting meet the other House half-way, and he counagainst the motion. Nothing certainly which selled the House of Commons not to move had happened should make him not adhere to one step. (Cheers.) The tone of the honourthat moderation he recommended. He could able Gentleman's speech was that of modenot forget that on the last time he had ad-ration, but he supported a resolution which dressed the House, he had expressed his satis-cut off all hopes of a compromise. (No, faction that no personal differences had taken no.) Was it not evident that there was a place during the debate, and the noble Lord contradiction between the hon. Gentleman's (Althorp's) reply had expressed a hope that speech and the resolution he supported? all animosity would be buried. He knew not Hon. Members must see that the resolution what necessity there was now to revive ani- was a compulsory proposition. Another hon. mosity. (Hear, hear.) It was not justified by Gentleman had said that the provisions of the the occasion on either side, either in defend- bill might have been modified, had it not been ing the Administration or in assigning the for the obstinacy of the opposition. (Hear, reasons in detail for withholding confidence hear.) The Government certainly could not from the Government. In stating some accept that defence. According to that, it of the grounds for withholding that confi- was the troublesome opposition which predence, he should avoid all acrimonious dis-vented the bill from being made perfect; but cussion. If the majority thought it advisable the vote the House was called on to come to, to agree to a resolution to support the bill, implied that it had been improved by their in order to place it upon the records of the obstinacy. It was urged, as one ground for House, that was not the time for him to enter the resolution, that the bill had been matured into verbal criticism of the resolution, for by discussions the most anxious and laborious. which he certainly did not mean to vote. And the fault he had to find with the resoluHe, however, doubted, under the circum-tion was, that it implied that this Bill was stances, if it were wise in the noble Lord to necessary to be adhered to, when an equally call on the majority to agree to such a reso-efficient measure might be introduced, which letion. He thought the divisions on the bill this resolution would preclude them from aca sufficient proof of the determination of the cepting. Why pledge the House to the bill as House to support the bill, without entering it stood, and why exclude themselves from into any such resolution. That resolution accepting another measure equivalent to that? called upon the House to affirm two proposi-The resolution pledged the House to all the tions, not necessarily connected. They were provisions of the bill-it pledged the House to called upon to declare in favour of the Reform the 104. clause. One of the many provisions, Bill, and to declare, at the same time, that which was much insisted upon, and which bis Majesty's Government was deserving of was much objected to, was the uniform right their confidence. He thought it unwise to of voting given to the 104. householders. Now call on the House to assent to the two propo- he had heard it stated, he could not say where sitions in one resolution, and it would be or by whom, but he had heard it stated by a mare complimentary to his Majesty's Govern-person of high consideration, that the argument, as well as more customary, to give ex-ments on the uniform right of voting had gone pression to the confidence of the House in a distinct resolution. Allow him to say to the ben. Gentleman opposite, that he had heard his speech with great pleasure, and was only prevented from giving it great praise by the compliment the honourable Member had fought proper to pay to him; but that speech V distinguished by a tone of moderation which the majority would do well to adopt. The honourable Gentleman thought it would far to shake his mind, and he should be pre pared to listen to extensive modifications. That was an important part of the bill, and most important if not restricted. The framers of the bill had invested the right of_voting, and perhaps some plan might be acceptable which would give that right to small towns at a lower rate, and restrict it to a higher rent in the larger towns. That right might be modified; but if the House agreed to the resolution, they would pledge them- | lamented some of the expressions, and the selves against any modification of the pro-tone adopted by the hon. and learned Gentle visions of the bill. They might pledge them- man, and his observations on the present selves, if they pleased, to adhere to the prin state of domestic danger. Why did the ciple of the bill, but by pledging themselves to honourable Gentleman seek, by stating adhere to the provisions, they would prevent all strange principles, and exaggerating diffiimprovement. On these grounds he objected culties, to increase that danger? Why did he to the resolution. He doubted the policy of seek to augment dangerous passions on danthe majority who had supported the bill, pledg-gerous topics? (Cheers.) He must say, that ing itself and the House to adopt the bill. the eloquence of the hon. and learned GentleHe had heard the hon. and learned Gentlemannian not unfrequently got the better of his complain of the weariness of discussions, while the resolution said that the bill had been matured by discussions the most anxious and laborious. The noble Lord's resolution vindicated the pertinacious opposition, and on these grounds called on the House. The res solution embraced two subjects-that of reform, and confidence in the Government. The House was called upon to express its confidence in the integrity of the Ministers, their perseverance, and their ability in introducing the Reform Bill, and in conducting it through the House. He did not wish by any means to lower the character and weaken the power of the executive Government; and in expressing a difference of opinion from the resolution, he begged to be understood as not implying any doubt of the personal integrity or perseverance of the Ministers; neither did he express any doubt of their ability in debates; but without doubting their personal integrity, their perseverance, or their skill in debate, he might still be far from placing confidence in them as a Government. He could not, for example, extend bis approbation to the manner in which they had introduced the Reform Bill, nor the time of introducing it, both of which were, in his opinion, inconsistent with the interest of the country. The resolution praised their conduct on these points, and against that part of it he could give a conscientious vote. There were several other parts of their conduct which he did not approve of. Their repeal of the coal duties had his approbation; but their foreign policy, which he would not enter into, was any-thing but favourable to the country; but without stating all his objections to their policy, it was sufficient for him to say that the Government was not entitled to his confidence on account of the manner in which they bad introduced and supported the Reform Bill. The hon. and learned Gentleman (Mr. Macaulay) said, that refusing to acknowledge the principles of this bill, would expose us to a greater domestic danger than this country had ever before been exposed to. The hon. and learned Gentleman had referred to this state of do mestic danger, and to the public opinion on the subject, as a reason why the House should place confidence in bis Majesty's Government, as a means of continuing and repressing this agitation. (Hear.) But when he looked at the extent to which the bill went, the time it issatisfaction? Why tell the people ho was introduced, and the means by which its they might resist the law (cheers) as the hon. temporary success was insured (bear, hear), and learned Gentleman did? The hon. and he was doubtful how much of the damage liad learned Gentleman (Mr. O'Connell) had albeen caused by the Government itself. Heluded to the state of the metropolis, when an judgment; and now and then, when there infamous attack had been made upon the life that a majority had a fixed determination to of the Prime Minister, and that Prime Minis- support the bill, but a determination to supter the Duke of Wellington; an act of the port the law; and that all language which basest ingratitude and the greatest wicked-tended to influence the passions of the people ness. The hon. and learned Gentleman had all measures which tended to excite their alladed to the intended attack on the Duke of hopes, would only end in "greater disappointWellington. [Mr. Macaulay intimated that ment to all. They ought not to refer to the be had not alluded to any such thing.] No, possibility-they ought not to teach the people it was the honourable Member for Kerry he that it was easy to refuse the payment of taxes was alluding to; but when that hon. Mem-they ought not to exaggerate the amount of ber had spoken of the base attack to be made public meetings; and encourage others. It on the life of the Duke of Wellington, not in was easy enough to say tirat 150,000 men asdeed by the middle classes, but by the lowest sembled here and 49,000 there, but before classes, the hon. and learned Member for such assertions were made individuals ought Calne hat explained how they might avoid to be correct as to the facts, for such statethe penalties of the law, and avoid paying the ments led men to meet in other places; aud taxes. (Hear.) Was not that exciting the such meetings do not take place, though for a passions of the people? (Hear, hear). The legal object, without exciting apprehensions in bon, and learned Gentleman deplored the ex- the well-disposed, and without exposing the cesses of the people and their readiness to re- public peace to danger. Great masses of men sint the law; and said it was hardly necessary could not meet without exciting apprehension. to make a speech directing them how to show He wished that honourable Menibers would their hostility! He would also say a few warn the people of the consequences of diso words to the other hon. and learned Gentle beying the law, particularly of refusing to pay (Shiel), who had imitated the hon. the taxes. The whole community was deeply and learned Gentleman, but had fallen below interested in preserving obedience to the law. him. He would not follow the Chon, and It was not for the advantage of the few; 'but » learned Gentleman, being warned by his ex- for the benefit of us all; and those mad proample that the ambition to make a great ceedings now talked of would paralyse iaattempt does not ensure success. (Cheers.) dustry, suspend commerce, and inflict the The sentences of the hon. and learned Gentle most grievous injury on the lowest classes. mo-bore the marks of much labour, and were Again fre would say, that the people should be a credit to his industry. He had given the informed that the privileges of the peers, House several old stories, and among others which were now so lightly brought into dis that of the Sybil, and ou her he thought the cussion, were not conferred on the peers for House bad already drawn often enough during the gratification of their personal vanity these debates; and he hoped that the rules of they were not so much personal privileges, the House concerning females wouldy in fue as privileges conferred for the benefit of the tare, be extended to her, and she would not whole community, and which had on several be suffered again to be present at the debates. occasions been useful to the people them(Alangin) There was another female mene selves. The independence of the peers' was a tioned by Burke of whom the hon. and learned guarantee and security to the liberties of the Member reminded him. Mr. Burke said that people, and tranquillity would be best preserved some persons who imitated the contortious of by respecting their rights. He did not like to the Pythian Goddess thought they had caught trust himself on this subject of excitement; her inspiration) (Cheers and laughter). The but when he considered the influence of the bow and learned Gentleman thought the Government, he was persuaded that if the wable essences of Toryism might be cousame means were employed excite an densed into one short word, and that short words as East Retford. (A laugh.) He wished his honourable Friend, the Member for Hertford, were present, for he could tell the honourable aud› learned Member that he proposed extending the franchise of East Retford to Bassetlaw, and it was rather singular that the honourable and learned Member should have selected the act of a good old Whig to designate the party of the Tories. (A laugh.): He hoped he had not said one Road to hid to the excitement which existed on the subject to which the resolution referred, which it was his wish to calm. He under ed that his Majesty's Government were to to bodool s retais office; that they still enjoyed the condit fence of their Sovereign, aud still hoped to carry the hill. There was one thing he thought certain that they were the truest of the speech of Peel where he speaks Inde to their country who proclaimed, not of a readiness to New-model the bill_as i opinion against the peerage which had been empliyed on the subject of reform, it would not be difficult to produce a very strong dislike to it! Im conclusion, the right honourable Gentleman, declared that all who had voted » for the Reform Bill would probably vote for the resolution, while all who had opposed the bill were bound in consistency to vote against the resolution. (Heart) of belojes ose Lord ERRINGTON replied. →→The House divided one idu sut of muß 1991ab antes, Binod For the Motion NVIATA (329 JomAgainst . ¿t sili Majority....7162}))131oitetrai int of 1919 511 daucon su bus,boulenni zaw I beg the reader to observe that part |