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May asked witness if he would take a fare to Bethnal-green. Witness replied that he would not, because he knew what May was. George Hissing, a boy of about 12 years old, deposed that his father kept the Crabtree public-house, in the Hackney-road. Saw on the Friday a chariot draw up opposite his father's house, which is near Nova Scotia. gardens. Saw Williams standing on the fore wheel of the chariot, talking with the coachman. The chariot remained 10 or 15 minutes. Saw Williams at that time coming from Nova Scotia-gardens, in which direction he had gone he got into the chariot. Witness saw a man, whom he did not know, helping Bishop, whom he did know, in carrying a heavy sack. It was put by Bishop, Williams, and the other man, into the chariot. Bishop and the other man then got in, and the chariot drove up Crabtree-row, which leads towards Shoreditch church.

By the Court-Could not say that the stranger was May. He knew Bishop and Williams, who were at his father's house on the day that Williams married Bishop's daughter.

ThomasTrainer corroborated the last witness. Ann Channel was passing the Crabtree on the above night. Saw three men get out of the chariot. They went down Nova Scotiagardens. One stopped and spoke to the coachman, and then ran after the others. Did not see them afterwards. The two first had smoek-frocks on, and the other had a pipe in bis mouth.

Thos. Davis, porter to the dissecting-room in Guy's Hospital, saw May and Bishop about seven o'clock on the Friday evening; May brought in a sack, and asked him if he wanted to purchase a subject. Witness replied that he did not, and they then asked him to let it remain till next morning. It was consequently locked up there during night. Saw them the next morning in the hospital, at about eleven o'clock. Left the hospital and found on his return the sack, which appeared to contain a dead body. Saw a portion of a small foot protruding through a hole of the sack; it appeared like that of a youth or a woman. It did not appear large enough for a man's foot. Could not swear to the sack produced. It was such a one.

Cross-examined by Mr. Curwood-Had formerly known May and Bishop, but had never seen Williams at that time.

James Weeks, assistant to the last witness, deposed to having given up the sack to them; he also saw a hole in the sack, and saw a foot or a knee projecting through it; the sack was very like the one produced; when they took it away Williams and Shields were with May and Bishop; delivered the sack to them in the same state as when be received it; May and Bishop had each requested him not to allow either of them to have it without the other; they took it away in a bamper similar to that produced.

James Appleton, curator of Mr. Grainger's

anatomical theatre, Webb-street, Southwark, knew all the prisoners, and saw Bishop and May at the theatre on the Friday night, at about half-past seven o'clock. They said that they had a very fresh male subject, a boy about 14 years of age. Witness declined purchasing it. They came on the next morning, about 11, and made the same offer, which was again declined.

Thomas Mills, dentist, of 32, Bridgehouseplace, Newington-causeway, deposed, on the 5th of Nov. May called on him at about nine in the morning, and offered 12 human teeth, six from the upper and six from the lower jaw. He asked a guinea for the set. Witness said that one of them was chipped, and did not belong to the same set. He replied, "Upon my soul to God, they all belonged to the same head not long since, and the body was never buried." Afterwards discovered that some of the flesh and pieces of the jaw adhered to the teeth, and it appeared that much force had been used to wrench them out. Witness said that they were a young set. He replied, "The fact is, that they belonged to a boy 14 or 15 years of age."

By Mr. Curwood-He was sure that May did not say that they looked as fresh as if they had never been buried.

Augustus Brun examined, by medium of an interpreter-I knew a boy named Carlo Ferrari, and brought him from Italy two years ago; he was about fourteen years old, and lived with me about six weeks after he came here. The 28th of July, 1830, was the last time I saw the boy alive. He then lived at Mr. Elliott's, No. 2, Charles-street, Drury-lane. On the 19th of November I saw the body of the boy in St. Paul's burial-ground, Covent-gar den, and I believe it to be the body of that boy; the size and the hair were similar, but the face was disfigured.

Cross-examined-If I had known nothing about this occurrence, and had seen the body, I should be of opinion he was my own."

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By Mr. Justice Littledale-He was in his 15th year. I have not seen him for fifteen months. He might have grown a little in that time, but not much.

By Mr. Curwood-At first sight, if anybody had asked me who the body was, the face was so disfigured I could not tell.

Joseph Paragalli sworn-I get a living by playing an organ and pipes in the street. I knew Carlo Ferrari, and used to see him every day in Charles-street, Drury-lane. His sister lived in Scotland, and died there. He came to London on the 22d of May, 1830, and E have known him all that time; I last saw him alive in the Quadraut, Regent-street, at two o'clock on a Saturday, four weeks before I saw his body at the station-house. When I saw him in the Quadrant he had a little cage round his neck, with two white mice in it. He was in the habit of wearing a cap, but I cannot say whether it was of cloth, leather, or skin. The leather shade of the cap produced was of foreign manufacture.

Mary Paragalli, wife of the preceding wit-
ness, stated, that on Tuesday, November 1,
she saw the deceased in Oxford-street, near
Hanover-square. He had a cage like a squirrel-
cage, and two white mice in it. She did not
speak to him.
He wore a cap, but she could
not tell what sort of one it was. She had seen
the body of that boy at the station-house in
Covent-garden...

Andrew Colla, of No. 4, Great Saffron-hill, birdcage-maker-I knew the deceased boy, by seeing him in the streets, and saw him lately in Oxford-street. I have seen the body at the station house, and believe it to be the body of the boy I have seen in the streets. When I saw him in Oxford-street, he had white mice in a cage, and a tortoise. The cap produced was similar to that which he wore. He also wore a blue coat and grey trousers with a large patch on the left knee of the latter.

(The trousers, which had been dug up in Bishop's garden, were here produced.)

The witness examined them, and stated he believed them to be the same as those the deceased had worn, and he pointed out the patch in the knee of them.

he was taken into custody. I have often seen Bishop there. I let the house No. 2 last July to the prisoner Williams, who then went by the name of Head. Williams occupied it six or seven weeks, and it was afterwards occupied by a person named Woodcock. It was a few weeks empty. There are gardens behind the houses, and low fences between, but there No. 3, because there was a well for the use is a communication from No. 1 and No. 2 to of the whole in Bishop's house. There is a privy at the bottom of Bishop's garden. I have seen, Williams several times at No. 3, after he left No. 2. I have also seen Williams's wife there.

lived with his father, at No. 2, Nova Scotia-
William Woodcock, a boy, stated that he
gardens, next door to Bishop's house; he knew
Williams, and had seen him there ten times,
Bishop's house-saw Williams there two or
and had also seen Williams's wife washing in
in the garden smoking a pipe.
three days before Guy Fawkes-day, walking

Castle-street, Bethnal-green, sworn-On the Abraham Keymer, landlord of the Feathers, John King, a boy, sworn-I shall be ten shop, and he believed Williams also, came to night of Thursday, the 3d of November, Biyears old next Christmas. I go to chapel, and my house. It was near 12 o'clock. know the consequences of telling a lie. I live is about 200 yards from Nova Scotia gardens. at No. 3, Crabtree-road, facing the Bird-cage They had a quartern of rum and half a gallon My house public-house, and near Nova Scotia-gardens. of beer, and I lent them a can to carry it 1 remember one day when my mother washed, The can produced was that which he lent seeing a boy near Nova-Scotia gardens. I be-them. lieve it was the Thursday before Guy Fawkes day. I was looking out of the window, and the boy had something, but my mother would not let me go to see what it was. I believe it was a little cage that he had, and it was slung from his neck by a string. He was standing still. He had a brown cap, with the leaf or shade lined with green, exactly like this cap (the one produced). I was looking at him for a few minutes.

at No. 2, Nova Scotia-gardens on the 17th Wm. Woodcock sworn-I went to reside October, next door to Bishop. Williams, F have reason to believe, also lived with Bishop. I lived in No. 2, until after the prisoners were apprehended. I know Williams, but did not know Bishop until I saw him at Bow-street. The first Sunday I lived there I was digging in my garden, when Williams told him to dig Cross-examined-It was the first floor win-lilies. On Thursday, the 3d of November, I in a certain spot, where he would find some dow from which I saw him, yet I could see the lining of his cap shade.

Martha King, the sister to the last witness, aged eleven years, sworn-On the Wednesday or Thursday before Guy Fawkes-day she saw the Italian boy, as described by her brother. He was not one minute's walk from Bishop's house, and she had never seen him since.

John Randall, a labourer, sworu-I live near Nova Scotia-gardens. On Thursday morning, November 3, I saw the Italian boy, about nine or ten o'clock, near Nova Scotia-gardens. He was standing under the window of the Bird-cage public-house, and had a box or cage, with two white mice. He had on a blue coarse jacket, a brown fur cap, but I did not notice his trousers. The cap and jacket were similar to those produced.

Sarah Trueby, wife of John Trueby, sworn. -My husband is landlord of Nos. 1, 2, and 3, Nova Scotia-gardens, and I have been in the habit of letting the houses, and receiving the I let No. 3 to Bishop's wife in June, 1830. Bishop and his wife resided there until

rents.

went to bed about half-past nine o'clock. In hours and a half after I had gone to bed, I the course of the night, probably about four was awakened by hearing footsteps, which I thought were at the back of my premises, but I distinctly heard three men's footsteps in the parlour of No.3 (Bishop's house). Fremained one or two minutes, at the furthest, and all in bed and heard a scuffle, which lasted for was silent. The scuffling was in the same room in which I heard the footsteps. Afterwards I heard Bishop's side- door open, and also heard the footsteps of two men. There is a side door to Bishop's house. The persons after leaving Bishop's house, I heard come round to the front, and pass by my house. After they were gone, I heard the footstep of persons returned to the house, I distinctly one person in the house. When those two heard the voices of three persons, one of which I knew to be that of Williams. became still again, and I went to rest. After that all

the two houses is but four inches thick. The Cross-examined-I believe the wall between

struggle that I heard I considered at the time | vent-garden, detailed the voluntary declarato be a family quarrel.

By Mr. Justice Littledale-Not more than a minute and a half elapsed from the time of the two men leaving till their return.

Hannah Woodcock, wife of the last witness, sworn-She stated that Bishop, his wife, and family, and Williams and his wife, occupied No. 3, Nova Scotia-gardens.

tion made by Bishop, that he got the body from a grave; but the reason of not telling where the grave was, was on account of two watchmen who knew of it, and had large families. May, he said, also made a declaration (it was read, and stated that he had been to the country, and brought home two subjects, which he took to Mr. Grainger's, and from thence to Guy's Hospital. He also related the his meeting with Bishop and May; that Bishop told him he had got a good subject, which he was offered eight guineas for, and if he, May, could sell it, he should have all above nine guineas for himself. This he agreed to; and his account of the subsequent transactions was similar to that in the early part of the evidence). The witness next read Williams's statement.

Joseph Higgins, a new-police constable, sworn-On the 9th of November, in conse-public-house at which he had been, and of quence of some instructions, I went to No. 3, Nova Scotia-gardens; and on searching it, I found two crooked chisels, a brad-awl, and a file. There appeared to be blood on the brad-awl, which at that time looked fresh. 1 searched May's premises, No. 4, Dorset-street, New Kent-road, on the 11th, and found a pair of breeches, which had marks of blood on the back part, which appeared to be fresh. There was also a waistcoat with marks of clay on it. On the 19th, I went again to Bishop's house with James Wadey.

Mr. Mills, the dentist, was recalled, and examined by Chief Justice Tindal-The teeth had been forced out: I should think the bradawl now produced would afford great facility in forcing out the teeth.

The evidence of Higgins was then continued -When we went to Bishop's house on the 19th, we searched the garden behind the house. We first attempted it with an iron rod, but finding something impeding it, I desired Wadey to dig, and a jacket, trousers, and small shirt, found; that was about five yards from the back door. In another part we dug up a blue coat, a pair of trousers with the braces attached to them, a striped waistcoat, which appeared to be a man's, and taken in for a boy, with marks of blood on the collar and shoulder, and a shirt that was torn up the front. (The witness here produced all those things.) The clothes are those which would be useful to boys like the deceased. There were asbes over the place where the clothes had been buried.

James Wadey, also a constable, corroborated the last witness's testimony.

Edward Ward, a little boy, six and a half years old, was next examined-My father lives in Nova Scotia-gardens. I remember last Guy Fawkes-day, at which time I was in the habit of going to school. I remember my mother giving me a half holiday, but I don't know on what day it was. I went to Bishop's house. Bishop has three children, two of them boys. On that day I saw the children in the house, and they showed me a cage with two little white mice; the cage turned round, I had often played with Bishop's children before, but never saw them with a cage of white mice before that.

Mr. Wm. Burnaby, clerk of Bow-street Police-office sworn.-When the brad-awl was produced at Bow-street, May said, "That is the instrument with which I punched the teeth out."

John Kirkham, police-constable, stated, that when the inquest was sitting he had charge of the prisoners in the station-house ; behind where they sat there was a printed bill posted referring to the murder; Bishop looked at the bill, and then leaned over Williams to speak to May; he said to May, "it was the blood that sold us." Bishop then got up, and looked a second time at the bill, and referring to the words "marks of violence," he said those marks were only breakings-out in the skin.

Mr. Thomas, the superintendent, was recalled by Mr. Bodkin-When I first saw the body there were patches of dirt on several parts. There were also marks on the left arm as though they were the impression of fingers, and it appeared to me as if the chest had been pressed in. There was a stream of blood from the forehead down the face to the breast.

Mr. Adolphus stated that this was the case for the prosecution.

Mr. Davies was recalled, and stated that he had the day before purchased two bodies of the prisoner May.

The prisoners having then been severally called upon for their

DEFENCE,

Bishop stated that he was 33 years old, and had a wife and three children. He was formerly a carrier at Highgate, but for the last twelve years he had obtained a living by sup plying the various Hospitals aud Anatomical Schools with dead bodies, but he declared that he never was in any manner concerned in improperly obtaining subjects. He had been in the habit of getting bodies from workJohn Ward, an elder brother of the preced-houses, and sometimes with the clothes reing witness, stated that what his brother had just related took place on Friday, 4th November. His brother on that day told him what he had seen.

Mr. Corder, vestry-clerk of St. Paul's, Co

maining on them. All the gardens about Nova Scotia-gardens were easy of access, and were only divided by a low, dwarf railing. As to the wearing-apparel found in the garden, he knew nothing; but, regarding the cap, he

said he should prove that his wife purchased it of Mrs. Doddeswell, who kept a sale-shop in Hoxton Old Town. As respected the prisoners Williams and May, they knew nothing of the manner in which he got the body, and he declared that he only got it in the way by which subjects were usually obtained.

Williams alleged that he knew nothing of the means by which the body was procured by Bishop, who invited him to go to the King's College. He, Williams, was not in the habit of dealing with subjects, but got his living by working as a glass-blower.

said at Bow-street. The blood on the breeches found at May's residence was not perfectly dry when they were found.

Mr. Edward Wm. Doosen, a surgeon, stated that he had been subpoenaed by the prisoners, but he was not aware that he could state anything. The prisoners' counsel declined to examine him.

After this, the Chief Justice summed up the evidence. The Jury retired to consider of their verdict at eight o'clock, and returned into Court at half-past eight.

They returned a verdict of Guilty against all the prisoners.

May said he was formerly a butcher, but for the last six years had followed the trade of Within a minute after the verdict being dealing in subjects and supplying them to pronounced, it was communicated to the mulhospitals. On the day when he met Bishop attitude outside that had assembled to the numthe Fortune-of-War public-house,it was merely ber of several thousands, aud they for some by accident, when Bishop asked him where he minutes interrupted the business of the Court could sell a good subject, stating that he had by their loud cheering and buzzas. been offered eight guineas for it. He (May) told him, as was the fact, that he had sold two to Mr. Davies, at tea guineas each, the day before, and he would try if Mr. Davies would buy that one. Bishop told him he should have all above nine guineas for himself, and then he agreed to endeavour to sell it. He assured the Jury that he never asked, and, of course, he never knew how Bishop got possession of the body.

time.

Cross-examined-May has several times passed his nights with her; she did not know whether he was married or not.

house.

MR. DRUMMOND AND

LORD GREY.

ON THE SUBJECT OF REFORM. A LETTER, published by the former Rosina Carpenter stated that she lived in of these gentlemen, in the shuffling and Nag's Head court, Golden-lane. On Thurs-bloody old Times newspaper, last week, day, Nov. 3, between four and five o'clock in has attracted a good deal of public atthe afternoon, May came to her house, and remained with her till nearly twelve o'clock tention; has produced a sort of challenge the next day, not once going out during that from Lord Grey; and has drawn a long commentary from the Morning Chronicle. The letter arose in this way: Mr. Drummond was, it seems, at a Sarah Trinsley, who was examined for the meeting of bankers and others, who prosecution, was called by Mr. Barry. She differed upon the question of reform; had never seen any white mice in Bishop's and who met for the purpose of coming Mary Doddeswell, wife of George Doddes-to a compromise, if they could, as a well, of 56, Hoxton Old Town, sworn-I keep sort of prelude perhaps to a sort of a clothes and sale shop for the second-hand compromise between the hostile factions. goods. My husband is a journeyman pastry-in the state. Some person, under the cook. I know Bishop's wife, and sold her a cap two years ago; I should know it again signature of A. B., attacked Mr. Drumit was a cloth cap with a black front mond, in the bloody Times, for his con(the cap produced for the prosecution was a duct at this meeting; Mr. Drummond, fur cap). in his own name, sent his answer to the Mrs. Doddeswell-I never sold but one cap insert Mr. Drummond's letter, and Bishop-My wife purchased two caps of her. same sanguinary vehicle. I will first to Mrs. Bishop. I know nothing of Bishop or bis family, but that his daughter lived servant then the correspondence between him with me twelve months ago. and the irritated Lord Grey; after Mary Anne Hall, of No 4, Dorset-street, which I will insert the sour commentary New Kent-road, where May lived, stated that of the Chronicle upon Mr. Drummond's on the 30th October, May went into the country, and I saw no more of him until the fol-letter, and will make remarks upon lowing Wednesday night, aud then he went to that, passage by passage, as I proceed. bed. The next morning he went out, and did First, then, let us take Mr. Drummond's not return until the Friday night at half-past letter, which, slightingly as the Chronicle speaks of it, is worthy of a good deal of attention.

now ;

11 o'clock.

Mr. Thomas stood up, and addressing the Court, said he wished to repeat what he had

my

"SIR,-It would have been more creditable to A. B. to have discussed his differences with me where I was present, instead of deprecating discussion there, and then stating anonymously and falsely in your journal that I was an intruder into a meeting to which I had received a special invitation, and had, consequently, come from the country at much¦ inconvenience to attend. There was gross imposition in calling that an accommodation meeting,' when nothing was intended by A.B. but that they who were known to disagree with him should sign, at his dictation, a document which had been previously approved of by the Ministers as a perfect exposition of their late bill. Another false pretext held out to urge us to sign was the distressed state of the country. It is indeed distressed-that is, the working classes are oppressed to a degree almost past further endurance; but he must have a fool's head or a traitor's heart,' who says the late misuamed Reform Bill would give them the smallest relief. The bill took power from the crown, aud gave it to delegates of the middling classes, thereby converting the monarchy into a bad republic, but left the working classes just where they were. The passions of all ranks have been excited by Lords Grey and Brougham against the ministers of religion and the hereditary councillors of the King who opposed them, in order that the upholders of our ancient institutions might be intimidated into becoming accessories to their new constitution; and it is vainly imagined that the labouring classes will submit to be discarded and to sink again into their former degradation as soon as they shall have served the purposes of these profligate politi cians. I wish political power to remain with the aristocracy, because by such means alone can the monarchy exist: if that power is to be transferred to another class, it is revolution; to give that power to all classes, has justice and consistency; to give it to one only,

has neither.

"No one measure of relief to the suffering labourers has yet been proposed by the Ministers, while the people have been cajoled by the phantom of reform. True relief is only

ployment in our towns; by repeal of the Corn Laws, and of all monopolies and restrictions on trade; and by restoring our foreign policy to its uniform course, from the days of Elizabeth to those of Lord Londonderry, which was to support small free states against their powerful neighbours; and, above all, by taking effectual measures to liquidate the public debt, which must cramp the energies of the country so long as it exists; and, lastly, by a reform of the House of Commons as efficacious as that now proposed, and yet not revolutionary.

This, and much more that cannot now be stated, must be done before the nation can be tranquillized. It is shaken too deeply to its very foundations to be calmed merely by declarations of merchants and bankers, or by Whig expedienrs of violating unblemished corporate rights like those of Guildford, and of collecting the deputed wisdom of aggregated dirt and disease from Brighton and Cheltenham. Nothing short of what is above enumerated can end otherwise than in increased discontent; and since there arises from no side the discretion fit to guide us, we have only to stand prepared for the crash which the infatuated projects of our rulers must produce, and see in their blindness the judicial hand of an offended God, whose counsels they having despised, he at length has left them to their own.

"Begging A. B.,' in which prayer you, Sir, will no doubt join, to choose some other arena thau your colums for the further discussion of these subjects,

"I am, your obedient servant,
"HENRY DRUMMOND.
"Albury Park, Nov. 26.”

Next came the challenging affair, in the following words, as published under the authority of the Duke of Richmond, who, it appears, was the bearer of Lord Grey's letter to Mr. Drummond.

"Albury Park, Nov. 29. Duke of Richmond, that some expressions in "MY LORD, I regret to learn from the my letter to the editor of the Times of this

to be obtained by the repeal of all taxes on arday's date, are cons trued by your Lordship to ticles used for private consumption-such as matt, hops, candles, leather, &c. This might imply an attack upon your Lordship's motives. have been done honestly by laying on a gra than to impute any thing to your Lordship As nothing was farther from my object or wish duated property-tax, increasing as it ascended; by fixing the amount of paper currency by Act individually, while I reserve the right of deof Parliament, and making it legal tender; measures, I have only to express the sincere claring myself freely on your Lordship's public by disbanding the whole of the standing army, excepting the household troops aud the artil-regret I feel at any expression of mine having lery; and this might have been done safely given unintentional pain to your Lordship. "I have the honour to be, by embodying fencibles and militia, in each County, and training them every year, by which domestic peace would be preserved, as well as security from foreign aggression; by enacting Poor Laws for Ireland, by which the Irish geatry would be compelled to support their own people, instead of sending them over here to exclude any extra labourers which our villages may contain from the means of em

your Lordship's obedient servant, HENRY DRUMMOND.

"To Earl Grey."

"Downing-street, Nov. 30. "SIR-I have had the honour of receiving your letter of yesterday, which has been brought to me by the Duke of Richmond, and beg leave to express my satisfaction at your

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