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Church-Catholick visible,
And the Priority thercof in regard of

Particular CHURCHES.
In answer to the Objedions made against it, by
M' John Ellis junior, and by that reverend and
worthy Divine M Hooker, in his survey

of church-Discipline.'.;

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The second Edition, with an Addition or Postscript to

this VINDICATION, doc.
By SAMUEL HUDSON, Minister of the Gospel

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. . . TO THE
Reverend Allembly of DIVINES

allembled at Westminster.
Everend, and much konoured Fathers and Brethren,
It is a received Maxime,That publick rights and intem
rests are to be preferred before private and particular :

spirituall , before secular; divine before humane.
w Now as the internall fpirituall government of Christ in

the invisible Church is far more excellent shen any other: : so also his externali visible government of the visible Charch, hath per the preheminence above all visible civill governments and Kingdoms

of this world. And if it be lawfull-ever for private persons to vine dicate, by bumane Laws, the extents and rights of their particular civill inheritances and poffeffions : And if it be accounted the duty of good Sæbjets to vindicate the extents and rights of their civill Sovéa.' raigas Dominions, with their Estates and Lives, even by the Sword : then mach more is it the duty of Christs Subjects, by disputes and are gumentations to vindicate the extents and rights of Christs externall political Rińgdoms; the one hiing but of civill convernment, the otheque divike; the one tending but to a civill end, the other a spiritual. And therefore I hope none will blame me for appearing in publick to conan tend for the extent and rights of Chrifts politicall Kingdome in his Church here on earth.. ..

My first Thesis on this Subject was composed for the private use of my self, and some few neighbour Ministers, in a monthly private meeting, according to our custome. But being made publock, at the desires of others, it met with opposition from two reverend Brethren : first by M. John Ellis junior, who undertook to confute it, with other Trattates of divers of my betters that were written of the same subject : and secondli by Reverend M. Hoo

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ker, who is fince departed out of the visible militant Church, inte the invisible Triumphant; the loffe of which burning and shining light, the Church of God cannot fufficiently lament. Now because some things therein (et down were by them mistaken, and other things not ro fully cleared, as I de fired, I thought good to set it out again more enlarged, and vindicated from the mistakes and oppositions that It met withall. ,

The reasons of my so long delay herein mere, First, because I was the least and least concerned therein, though the most tartly dealt withall by M. Ellis. And secondly, because I desired to see some of my betters go before me, in vindication of their own Tractates of

the fame fubjet. "And thirdly, because I understood by M. Ellis's : book, and by common fame, that there was an answer to Mo Ru.

therford coming out, wherein I Should find my question discussed, by that eminent, and worthy Divine M. Hooker, which was indeed

Tent over, but perished in the sea, and so was retarded one year lon· ger, untill it could be transcribed, and sent over again. And since

that was printed, the seat of the warr, by the fiege of Colchester ,

coming so near us, we were all in a fear and danger, so that I thoughe, .it no fit time to attend to controversies : and I had indeed almost laid

it quite afide, but that the importunities of fome, and the insultings of others excited mee again to take it in band. .:

And now I find a fourfold unhappinesse hath betided me hereik.

First, The darknesse and sublimity of the Subje£t, which I could no way make plain, so as to be understood by vulgar apprehensions , because the handling thereof put me necessarily upon the use of to many latine words, and logicall terms of art, which are not usually nnderstood by comman people. And therefore despairing to be undere ! ftood but by those that had some skill in the Latine tongue, and in Logick, I have set down ihe words of such Authours as I have had occa

fion to cite, in their own languages, in which I found them, left other. : . wise this Tractate should swelt too great.... ; A second unhappinesse is, that this Tenet fremeth to crosse soma. | ny of our own Divines, in their writings againlt the Papists. But indeed it doth onely seem fog for, it is manifest that the Church-Ca. tholick which they intend, is not the same with this that I have to deal about. For they speak of the Church-Catholick consisting onely of the Eleft, and I consent unto them that that Church is invisible :


but my question is about the ex'ernall state of the Church, containing
hypocrites as well as those that are truly godly, in which Church the

O dinances of worship and difcipline were set. n
LT A hird is, that I am fallen upon à subject wherein I can find.

So few going before me, and therefore could have the leffe help from
Autbours.' '. . . . .

A fourth is, that I being a mean Countrey-Minister, want both
1. Those abilities and opportunities, to enable me to write of controver-

Sies, having constant employment of preaching in mine own Congrea
gation, and frequently abroad, lying upon me, so that I cannot ate.
tend polemicall Divinity, as they must that undertake fach a

'. My principal (cope in this and the former Thefis, is to prove that :
there is one Church Catholick: visible on earth and that Gods in..
tention and donation of the Ordinances of worship aná discipline, was
forft to the whole Charch, and secondarily to the particular Church-
Sess as parts thereof. And yet l'acknowledge the ordinary and cona
Stant exercife of those Ordinances is primarily in the particular Chura.
ches, and a secondary and onely occasional exercise of them in greater
parts thereof; and a very rare exercise of them in the whole conjun
&im upon fume general extraordinary occasion, and that can be no oo
therwise, then by delegated commissioners from the several parts of the
whole, when convenible.
· If it be conceved by any, that some of the Arguments in this Trac

Etate are multiplied more then is needfüll, and are laid down more
'lingly..then was mezt, I will not deny it : Be pleased in the reading
of them to consider them together, and I hope they will prove conclus
live. :

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I find also by the review of this Tractate, that some things are
; ofter touched upon then I was aware of : be pleased to impate it part-

ly to my forgerfølgelse, and partly to mine endeavour to follow the mee
thod of my former Thesis, and yet to answer what was obječted against
at by others, -22 ho followed their own methods, which occasioned some

And since the transcribing of it for the Presse, there came to my
hands two other Tractates about the same subject, written from
- N. E. the one in Latine by that reverend and worthy M. Norton,
- Minister at Ipswich there, in answer to Apollonius; the other by
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