Was it to be rendered valid for other meetings?

DR. KUČERA (Czechoslovakia) thought that, according to the legal provisions, special regulations should be drawn up for each meeting.

The CHAIRMAN thought that there should be permanent regulations, but, at least, a draft of regulations for the next meeting.

M. SERRE (France) shared M. Kučera's view. The task of drawing up their regulations should be left to those who should take part in the work of the next conference.

This proposal was accepted.

The CHAIRMAN then said that in his opinion the printing of documents should be limited to what was strictly necessary.

M. SERRE (France) would prefer that all the documents relating to the work of the Conference should be printed.

The Committee shared this view.

The CHAIRMAN proposed that the documents should be published, not in chronological order, but in the logical order of classification in the series of subjects to which they related.

This proposal was adopted.

The discussion of Topic 10 of the program was then commenced (Proposal 8 of the Netherlands).

In view of the previous decisions, according to which the formal appointment of reporters or colleges of reporters had been abandoned, M. BLAND VAN DEN BERG (Netherlands) proposed that the Proposal 26 of France should be taken as a basis of discussion.

The CHAIRMAN thought it was sufficient to apply the provisions of Article 4 of the organization regulations drawn up by the Committee on Organization.

M. MURI (Switzerland) declared that this question was among those which were to be solved and for which a special procedure had been arranged.

GENERAL FERRIE (France), in the name of the U. R. S. I., stated that that organization was going to take steps to collaborate with the administrations themselves, since there would be no permanent organization of the C. C. I. Radio; thus the discussion of Topic 10 became purposeless.

The Committee agreed with this view.

The CHAIRMAN then asked if any amendments were suggested in the minutes distributed that morning or if they were considered as adopted.

No change was proposed.

The Committee began the consideration of the Netherland proposal for the admission of the U. R. S. I. and the U. I. R. to the next meetings with the right to vote.

After an exchange of views in which there took part M. BREISIC, GENERAL FERRIÉ, MM. VANNI, BLAND VAN DEN BERG and PELLENC, the Committee was of opinion that it was for the administration to make, if need be, proposals in that sense.

DR. HIRSCHFELD (U. S. S. R.) asked if it was within the competence of the Committee on Organization to express its views as to the date of the next meeting.

COLONEL CLEMENTE (Spain) obserbed that the Conference of Madrid would be fixed for the spring of 1932, and that, therefore, account must be taken of that date in fixing the meeting of the C. C. I. Radio.

During a discussion in which there took part MM. KUČERA, VANNI, MURI and MAJOR GENERAL GIBBS, the latter expressed doubt as to the usefulness of another meeting before the Madrid Conference.

The CHAIRMAN suggested that the next meeting should take place between the end of 1930 and the middle of 1931, so that, between that session and the Madrid Conference, there should be sufficient time to permit the preparation of proposals for submission to the latter.

COLONEL CLEMENTE (Spain) thought that, according to experience drawn from other conferences, the preparatory work of the Radiotelegraph Conference of Madrid would demand at least a year and a half.

The CHAIRMAN stated that the fixing of the date of the next meeting depended on what would be the place of the next meeting.

Moreover, PROF. VANNI (Italy) observed that, these meetings being onerous, it was important that the dates of successive meetings should not be close together.

The CHAIRMAN declared, finally, that the decisions would be taken by the plenary session, and that this last part of the session must only be regarded as an exchange of views to facilitate their task later. The CHAIRMAN then asked whether any member had any proposals

or declarations to make.

MAJOR GENERAL GIBBS (U. S. A.) reminded members that the discussions had been long, that they had always been sincere and that, if there had been differences of opinion, these were due above all to differences of language and the distance between countries, but that the most friendly spirit had never ceased to reign.

For the rest, the Chairman of the Committee had directed the discussion in such a clear, just and accurate manner that the work of the Committee had been considerably facilitated. This splendid method of procedure had had the most happy effect on the progress and favorable results of their labors.

The CHAIRMAN expressed his thanks for the extremely favorable appreciation that had been shown of his directing efforts. He observed with the greatest pleasure that the spirit of conciliation had constantly reigned, and that this should afford an example for the future, since it was thanks to this spirit of conciliation that a happy solution had been reached.

M. SERRE (France) fully agreed with the words of praise addressed to the Chairman by General Gibbs.

He emphasized that, if difficulties had sometimes been observed, they were solely due to the use of expressions which were not sufficiently intelligible for their American colleagues, and that the latter, in such cases, should not hesitate to ask that the explanations which they desired should be furnished in another form more intelligible for them.

For the rest, the essential point was that each side had understood the other and that the discussions had always taken place in a friendly manner.

He thanked the American delegates for the efforts which they had made to understand their European colleagues. He fully associated himself with the congratulations addressed by them to the Chairman of the Committee.

The meeting ended at 5 p. m.

PELLENC

Reporter

Seen:
DR. BREISIG

Chairman

D. REPORTS OF THE COMMITTEE ON DEFINITIONS AND

STANDARDIZATION

FIRST MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE, SEPTEMBER 19, 1929

The meeting was called to order at 10 a. m. by GENERAL FERRIE, Chairman.

On the CHAIRMAN's proposal the session would be devoted to the organization of the Committee.

The Bureau of the Committee would be composed as follows:

Chairman: General Ferrié (France)
Vice-Chairman: Dr. Hirschfeld (U. S. S. R.)
Reporters: Mr. A. J. Gill (Great Britain)
Dr. Le Corbeiller (France)

The CHAIRMAN referred to the subjects of which the study was entrusted to the Committee.

Topic 2: Power of a transmitter.

Topic 3: Classification of waves.

Topic 4: Radiation of an ultra-short wave transmitter (Article 13 of General Regulations of Washington).

Topic 11: Uniformization of amateur licenses.

The CHAIRMAN proposed that questions should be studied in this

order, and thought that it would not be necessary for this purpose to divide the Committee into subcommittees.

SECOND MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE, SEPTEMBER 19, 1929

The meeting began at 2 p. m. under the presidency of GENERAL FERRIÉ.

The CHAIRMAN opened the discussion on Topic 2 of the C. C. I. Radio program:

What is to be understood by the power of the transmitter?

MAJOR MARINO (Italy) proposed that the power of the transmitter should be defined as the oscillating power in the antenna. He pointed out that at present sufficiently practical methods were avail able, such as the photo-electric method.

COLONEL ISHII (Japan) supported this proposal.

DR. BREISIG (Germany) remarked that the simplest methods might not give sufficient information and considered that the measurement of the power in the antenna kept a middle course between the measurements of the field, which fully answer the question, and meaurements of power at different stages, which have in particular the advantage of being simple.

DR. JOLLIFFE (U. S. A.) considered that field measurements are now practicable for wave-lengths below 3,000 kc/s and that in a relatively near future engineers will think rather of the intensity of the field than of the power of the transmission system.

However, as a provisional measure, the American Delegation had proposed for adoption as a definition the measurement of the oscillating power in the antenna, this being either measured directly or calculated by means of the measurement of the power at the last stage accessible.

DR. VAN DER POL (U. I. R.) observed that methods of measurement would be different in the case of telephony or telegraphy, of short waves or of long waves, and asked if the Committee thought that a single definition could be adopted for all cases or if it was necessary to adopt distinct definitions.

COMMANDER SLEE (Marconi) pointed out that the definitions adopted must serve to answer four very different classes of questions: (1) statistical information supplied by the International Bureau of the Telegraph Union; (2) administrative information to be inserted in regulations; (3) technical information as to the range that may be expected from a transmitter of given power; (4) commercial information as to the utility and therefore the value of a transmitter.

CAPTAIN ECKERSLEY (U. I. R.) thought that it was sufficient to give the power in the antenna, with additional information as to that antenna.

After various observations by MM. CHIRKOV, VAN DER BILT, VAN DER POL, STEIDLE, CLEMENTE and JOLLIFFE, the CHAIRMAN pointed out that field measurements seemed to be abandoned, at least for the moment, as a generally applicable definition and that everyone seemed to agree in defining the power of a transmitter by means of the power in the antenna, this being measured directly as far as possible, and if not, calculated by means of some other power. The question now arose whether additional information should be added to this figure, and if so, what.

MM. MARINO (Italy), BREISIG (Germany), KRULISZ (Poland), HAMEL (France), JOLLIFFE (U. S. A.), STEIDLE (Germany), ECKERSLEY (U. I. R.), O'MUINEACHAIN (Ireland) and SLEE (Marconi) made various observations on this point.