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A. How can you teach the first principle of pure religion, when you deny the light that Christ hath enlightened every man that comes into the world with ?' And this may whole England witness, and so your doctrines that you have taught them, and commandments, are such as perish; being not men sent of God, you have not profited the people at all.
P. And you say, 'False teachers this age is too full of:' and 'that you may henceforth be no more children tossed to and fro,' and you entreat to accept a word from us your ministers; for what profiteth a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul.'
A. Who have tossed people more up and down than you, and carried them about with your windy doctrines? And so the world have been too full of you, the multitudes of the false teachers, since the days of the apostles. Who are more for gaining the whole world than you, that call yourselves ininisters? have not and do not your fruits dcclare it to the whole nation? In prisons, there lic your fruits, for where may people see the priests' fruits but in prisons? And how your congregations are all on heaps, when any come in the name of thc Lord amongst them! and you have showed that your cxhortation hath not profited the people at all.
P. • We cntreat you to take heed of that dangerous deceit, in hoping to be saved by your own works, or in any thing in yourselves.'
A. He that believes hath ceased from his own works, so is not saved by them, and he that believes is saved, and this belief is within him, in Christ. And the ingrafted word is able to save the soul, and Christ the saviour is revealed and manifested within.
P. Out of the holy scriptures, Old and New Testament, which are the word of God, we may learn the true knowledge of God.'
A. The Jews had scriptures, and did not know God nor Christ, nor did know themselves. And the scriptures are not the word, but the words of God, and so you teach parishes, and your children to lie, as 1 you may read in Exodus, God spake all these words, and said.' And
whosoever shall add to these words,' Revelations. And Christ saith,“my words.' And would you make people believe the scriptures were but a word, when they say they are words? And Christ is the word, as in the Revelation. And so that which brings to the knowledge of God is the spirit; and the son reveals him, Christ Jesus, who is the light which doth enlighten every man that comes into the world,' and every man that comes into the world receiving the light, Christ will reveal the Father to him.
P. • There are three persons, Father, son, and holy ghost. And we entreat you to take heed of the natural Popish conceit.'
A. The word thrce persons is the natural Popish conceit, which is Vol. III.
duties and deeds you are but unprofitable servants, in that we do believe you. So your preaching and praying are unprofitable, so you judge yourselves out of your own mouths; singing, instructing, praying, all are unprofitable, and you are the slothful servants, who are reprobates to every good work. But the saints prayed, preached, and sung in the spirit; such were profitable, that loved God and kept his commandments, but you that do not love God, do not keep his commandments; so your fruits are unprofitable that keep not the commandments of God. And there is your mark that you do not love him.
P. The law is a rule for a believer's life; we must attend unto the sacraments.'
A. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness' sake unto every one that doth believe; so Christ is the rule who ends the law to believers; and thy sacraments must go again to the common-prayer-book, to the mass-book; the scripture doth not teach us those words, as sacrament and creed, but the old mass-book; thou art running to it, and so leaving the scriptures. So thou art judged with the life of God.
P. "Who are ordained lawfully, are called to the ministry.'
A. Your ordination and call is by men, contrary to the apostles and Christ, who saith, not by man nor of man,' and Christ said, 'pray to the Father that he may send labourers into the vineyard,' and such you persecute. And thou sayst there are two sacraments in the gospel, but the apostles tell us of no such thing, but the pope in his mass-book.
P. “We may not learn to seek for happiness in this life; these words I command thee this day shall be in thy heart, to teach thy children, and to talk of them in thy house.'
A. These words have spoken long in your hearts, therefore have you led the world into wickedness; but the children of God find happiness in this life, being changed from the old nature in this life, they find God, and Christ, and find rest for their souls. And who is in Christ is a new creature, and such hath happiness.
P. This form of sound words is taken out of the best and soundest catechisms that we could meet withal, and our mouth is opened boldly.'
A. This is your form of unsound words, and if this be the best stuff you can find, out of your best catechisms, it is pitiful, dirty, dark stuff, and you had better have kept your mouth shut. If these be your catechisms, they are for the fire; the children of light who are come into the light comprehend and see the catechisms and you both, and you are to be catechized; and if you will but read over the priests' and professors' catechism, you may learn something out of it.
A. The saints eat his flesh, and they that eat his flesh, have it within them.
P. “That Christ had, and hath a carnal body.'
A. Christ's body is not carnal, but spiritual; the first man was of the earth, carthly, the second man is the Lord from heaven, heavenly, and is a glorious body, and the saints are made like unto his glorious body: therefore, the first state is carnal, the second glorious; so there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
P. That Christ is now in heaven with a carnal body.'
A. Carnal indeed is death, saith scripture, and it saith that corruption must put on incorruption, and mortal, immortality; so Christ's body that is in heaven is a glorious body, and not carnal, nor of the flesh, corruptible.
P. • That Christ hath a carnal human body, united to his divinity.'
A. Carnal, human, is from the ground, the first Adam's body, was human, carthly, and ('hrist was not from the ground, (let all people read what thou sayst,) but he was from heaven, his flesh came down from above, his flesh which was the meat, came down from heaven.
P. That Timothy retained his ministry, not from God, but from Paul.'
A. Timothy did retain his ministry from God, and knew the gift, that which he did retain from Paul was not as man, but Timothy was in the faith which Christ was the author of, and he had the gist, and every good and perfect gift comes from God, and this was not by man, nor of man.
P. • That there is as much difference between a spirit and a body, as there is between light and darkness.'
A. Christ's body is spiritual, and that which is spiritual, does not differ from the spirit; and so there is a spiritual body, and there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual inan, and there is a natural man, and cach hath their body.
P. Henry Liver said, that they knew no such thing as prophesying by immediate revelation or inspiration in these days.'
A. Then thou never knew the scriptures, for none know the scripture, as I said before, but by the spirit of revelation, which doth reveal the words; the spirit of prophecy, lets see into the words, and he that hath not the spirit of Christ is none of his; and he that hath the spirit of Christ hath immcdiate revelation, and prophecy. And the spirit of God is immediate, and it doth reveal; and the gospel, which is the power of God, is immediate.
P. Richard Frankling said, “they had it by scripture.'
A. And it was the spirit that brought them to give forth scripture, which things of God were revealed to them by it; and the scripture does not reveal the spirit, but the spirit the scripture.