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Captain G. Beall,

3 July 1894.

1945. As a matter of fact the Government Department does not of itself give that notice to any office direct by telegraph?-No, not by cable. The Board of Trade may; I do not.

1946. (Sir George Nares.) The Harbour Department of the Board of Trade telegraphs it to everybody interested at once ?-That is so, but I was speaking more particularly of myself.

1947. (Chairman) What I want to know is whether when an important danger is discovered the Board of Trade, in as short a time as possible, gives notice to the proper places?-The Harbour Department of the Board of Trade do that, I believe.

1948. (Sir George Nares.) I may say that the information Captain Beall obtains comes first to the Harbour Department of the Board of Trade, and then it is sent on to Captain Beall for compiling in his monthly summary. But in addition to that, the Harbour Department of the Board of Trade telegraphs it to all interested. The most numerous cases are those of wrecks occurring near our own coast; these are at once telegraphed down to the Trinity House or to those whose business it is to watch that part of the coast. That is constantly going on. If the notice is not a special one, then the information is given by letter?-Anything that comes from the Marine Department in that way I send to Lloyd's and the "Shipping Gazette"; but of course, as I say, I was only speaking for myself when I spoke about telegraphing. I have no authority, personally, for telegraphing.

1949. (Chairman.) Then I understand you cannot suggest any improvement of this Monthly Summary ?-I could suggest a few improvements on the face of it for instructions to masters and that sort of thing, which I have written down here now. It is a matter of detail perhaps.

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1950. Will you state them-what are the suggestions you propose to make?-With regard to paragraph 4 of this print on the face of the foreign-going vessels summary I would suggest that these words be put: Any case of inability to obtain information from this source should be reported to the Board of Trade." That is to ensure that the consuls and the Government shipping offices did really keep these notices so that mariners could refer to them conveniently. I think that is very necessary. At the present time we assume that they do it. Then at the end of the first page I would suggest that these words be put: "Masters of vessels on "their arrival in port should also report immediately

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any derelict, new danger to navigation, or change, met "with during the voyage. Forms are supplied for this purpose which should be filled up and handed in to "the Custom House at a home port, or the British Con"sulate or Colonial Shipping Office abroad." I think that that would be a very good thing. It is not pointed out to master mariners at present. The Lighting Authorities are requested to do it, but not masters of ships.

1951. Have you any reason to suppose that the information contained in this summary is not properly disseminated? - No, nothing whatever. I have not heard that it is not. But I daresay many masters would not take the trouble or consider it their duty to report to the Board of Trade if they could not get the infor mation. That is my opinion. I think if the few words suggested were put on the face of it it would keep them alive to it.

1952. (Captain Wharton.) Do you think it would be much use putting derelicts in a publication that comes out every month ?-No, I do not think it would.

1953. You say that in special cases you mark the notices to mariners that you send abroad " "portaut."--Yes.

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1954. How long have you been doing that ?—Not very long; a few months.

1955. Did you do that in the case of those Ice Reports in the South Atlantic to which you have referred ?—Yes. But on the first Ice Notice Ĭ sent out I did not put "very important. The second and third time I sent them out I did put it on.

1956. It is being done now, I understand ?----Yes, it is being done now. On the last two notices we sent out we put it.

1957. Are you placing any derelicts in your summary here other than those which are published by the Admiralty?—Yes; if we get them from any other source we put them in.

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1958. You are separately collecting ?-Yes. course we take other notices besides the Admiralty notices, and we include those with the others.

1959. Then you are acting independently of the Admiralty in connexion with derelicts ?-Yes. If we receive any notice from any other foreign places we put it in, or if we receive it from any other body or authority in England we put it in.

1960. Do you exercise any discretion as to whether you will put them in or not ?-Yes. For instance, if I see any on the United States Pilot Chart that have been seen a couple of months ago, I say do not put them in, because it would be only a waste of paper; but if it is one that has been seen very recently I say put it in for a month or two, and in fact I keep it in for three months to be on the safe side. But I do not think it is any good, it is only to be on the safe side really. The great difficulty we have to contend with with regard to these notices is that the masters will not look out for the information. The captain who gave evidence here the other day, I see, said he never looked at the notices at the Custom House in Sydney, although they were there.

1961. (The Chairman.) Would he have found information about ice if he had ?-There is no doubt about it. The information has been in our summary since July 1892.

Adjourned.

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FLOATING DERELICTS COMMITTEE:

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APPENDIX A.

INFORMATION received through the FOREIGN OFFICE as to STEPS which the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT were taking or proposed to take with reference to DERELICT SHIPS.

Foreign Office,

January 30th 1894.

SIR,
WITH reference to the Foreign Office letter of
the 19th instant, I am directed by the Earl of Rosebery
to transmit to you, to be laid before the Board of
Trade, a despatch from Her Majesty's Ambassador at
Washington, inclosing the reply of the United States
Government to the inquiry addressed to them as to any
steps which the United States Government were taking
or proposed to take with reference to derelict ships.

I am to request that you will move the Board to take
the communication of the United States Government
into their consideration, and inform his Lordship what
answer should, in their opinion, be returned thereto.
I am, &c.,

(Signed)

The Secretary,

Board of Trade.

No. 5, Commercial.

MY LORD,

H. PERCY ANDERSON.

Enclosure 1.

Washington,

January 15th, 1894. On receipt of your Lordship's Despatch No. 48, Commercial, of 28th November last, I immediately addressed a note to the Secretary of State, inquiring, as desired by your Lordship, whether any steps are being taken by the United States Government, or are in contemplation, for the removal of derelict vessels from ocean routes, and if so, within what limits?

The matter was referred by Mr. Gresham to the Treasury and Navy Departments, and the discussion of the question has taken up considerable time, for I was unable to obtain a reply to my inquiry until yesterday, when I immediately telegraphed the substance of it to your Lordship.

I have now the honour to transmit a copy of Mr. Gresham's note and its enclosures, conveying the answer of his Government to the effect that no scheme at present exists in this country for patrolling ocean routes, for the purpose of removing or destroying wrecks and derelicts dangerous to navigation, although such impediments are destroyed by United States vessels of war when heard of, and that the United States Government are prepared to invite the principal maritime governments to consider an international agreement with that object.

I have, &c.,
(Signed)

The Earl of Rosebery, K.G.
&c.
&c. &c.

EXCELLENCY,

Enclosure 2.

JULIAN PAUNCEFOTE.

Department of State, Washington, January 13th, 1894. REFERRING to your note of the 15th ult., in which you inquire whether any steps have been taken, or are in contemplation by the United States, looking to the removal of derelict vessels from ocean routes, I have the honour to enclose herewith copies of letters received from the Secretary of the Navy and the Secretary of the Treasury showing what has been done by the United States in the matter.

If Her Majesty's Government is favourably inclined,
this Government is prepared, either by taking the
initiative, or by acting in concert with Great Britain,
to invite the principal maritime governments to con-
sider an international agreement for the reporting,
marking, and removal of dangerous wrecks, derelicts,
and other menaces to navigation in the North Atlantic
Ocean outside the coast waters of the respective
countries bordering thereon.

I have, &c.,
His Excellency (Signed) W. Q. GRESHAM.
Sir Julian Pauncefote, G. C.B.

SIR,

Enclosure 3.

Navy Department, Washington, January 2nd 1894. REPLYING to your letter of the 27th inst., enclosing a note from the British Ambassador at this Capital, inquiring whether any steps are being taken by the United States Government or are in contemplation for the removal of derelict vessels from ocean routes, I have the honour to inform you that it has been the custom of this Department, upon receiving information of the existence of a wreck, or derelict, being a menace to navigation to send a Government vessel to destroy the same, but no scheme has been formulated for patrolling ocean routes to keep them clear of such dangers.

The necessity of patrol has been brought to the notice of Congress by the Treasury Department.

This Department publishes weekly a Hydrographic Bulletin, and monthly a Pilot Chart, giving the latest known positions of all wrecks and derelicts reported to the Hydrographic Office through its officer and other These bulletins and pilot charts are furnished free of charge to masters of vessels, and are posted in all seaboard cities, where they can be consulted by those interested.

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REPLYING to your letter of the 5th inst., enclosing a copy of the note of the British Ambassador at this Capital, inquiring whether any steps are being taken by the United States Government or are in contemplation, looking to the removal of derelict vessels from ocean routes, and if so within what limits, I have the honour to state that in accordance with the suggestion of this Department, Congress at its late extraordinary session passed the following joint resolution, which was approved by the President, October 31, 1893:

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the President of the United States be, and he is hereby, authorised to make with the several governments interested in the navigation of the North Atlantic Ocean an international agreement providing for the reporting, marking, and removal of dangerous wrecks, derelicts, and other menaces to navigation in the North Atlantic Ocean outside the coast waters of the respective countries bordering thereon."

Your attention is respectfully invited to a copy of a letter of the Secretary of the Treasury recommending the adoption of said resolution, dated October 2, 1893, and printed on p. 51 of the Report of the Commissioner of Navigation for 1893, a copy of which report is herewith transmitted.

For a general discussion of the question of the removal of derelicts and other menaces to navigation, leading up to the subject matter of the joint resolution, you are respectfully referred to p. 24, and following of the same report.

No steps, within the knowledge of the Treasury Department, have been taken looking to the execution of the provisions of the resolution mentioned.

It may be proper to state, however, as probably coming within the scope of your inquiry, although it relates more particularly to an act of this Department, that the Secretary of the Treasury, under date of June 13, 1893, addressed the following circular letter to collectors of customs and others, pertaining to the subject of wrecks and derelicts.

"To facilitate the removal of wrecks and derelicts along the coasts and in bays, harbours, and other navigable waters of the United States which are a menace to navigation, masters of merchant vessels and

officers of revenue marine cutters, of vessels and officers of the Lighthouse Establishment and of the Coast and Goedetic Survey, are directed to keep a lookout for such dangerous wrecks and derelicts in the waters in their regular course. The officers observing them will make report direct to the Commissioner of Navigation, Treasury Department, Washington, D.C. Such report should embrace as accurate a description of the wreck or derelict as possible; its locality, the class of vessel, name, official number, and home port if it can be ascertained, whether sunken or a floating wreck, and if abandoned, apparently how long, and if in the fairway of any channel, sound, or harbour, and any other material facts, which should be communi. cated to the Department relating to the matter."

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APPENDIX B.

(Handed in by Mr. Jaffe, Q. 225.)

MONTHLY LIST OF DERELICTS.

COMPILED for the "JOURNAL OF COMMERCE," February 1894.

The following is the latest report of derelict ships, with their positions (approximate) when last seen. Captains who may be navigating in the vicinity will do well to mark on their charts the positions of those that lie in or near their proposed track :

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APPENDIX C.

No. 1.

(Handed in by Mr. Trevor, Q. 431.)

RETURN forwarded by the TRINITY HOUSE to the BOARD of TRADE, on 18th APRIL 1894, of WRECKS REPORTED to and DEALT WITH by the TRINITY HOUSE since 31st MARCH 1889.

Those marked "L.B." are dangerous to Lifeboats only, and dealt with under "The Removal of Wrecks" Act, 1889.

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Searched for, but nothing found.

Spar taken away, no further obstruction.
Masts and spars, &c., cleared away.

Masts and spars cleared away.

Dispersed by War Department.

In Northern Commissioners' jurisdiction.
Warning notice issued.

Dispersed.

Dangerous to small craft only, cautioning notice issued.

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