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he must remind the noble Earl that not House, and succeed in carrying it through only in the last Session of Parliament, in Parliament, and then, when they found the other House of Parliament, but on the that an obnoxious proposition had been hustings also, the right hon. Gentleman passed, and one about which grave remonthe Secretary of State for the Colonies strances were presented, that they should (Sir J. Pakington) took the greatest pos- come forward and say they were not resible credit for the legislation with refer- sponsible for that part of the measure. ence to the constitution of New Zealand; He protested against such a doctrine. and he (the Duke of Newcastle) thought, Petition read, and ordered to lie on the if the Government deemed it just at that table. time to take credit for the constitution
THE UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE. they gave to New Zealand, they were not now entitled to wash their hands of that
LORD LYNDHURST: My Lords, I beg measure, which imposed on the inhabitants to call your Lordships' attention to the of the colony debts to which they were Report of the Commissioners appointed to not liable. The Government ought to do inquire into the state of the University of one of two things—they ought either to Cambridge, and the respective studies and disown the measure, or to take on them- discipline there, and which report has been selves the whole responsibility of it. And laid on the table of your Lordships' House. when the noble Earl said the Government Your Lordships are no doubt aware of the found certain conflicting interests, and that charges which have been repeatedly prethey did not think it was right to consider ferred of late years against the two Unithe Colony on the one hand, or the Com-versities, accusing them of negligence, supany on the other, with reference to the pineness, and indifference to improvement claims which they admitted and the claims -and not only indifference to improvement which they denied, he would remind the with regard to the discipline of those noble Earl that this was exactly what learned bodies, but an absolute disposition they had done, and what he had urged to oppose all improvement. With respect them not to do. This question between to these charges against the University of the Colony and the New Zealand Company Cambridge, I wish to direct your Lordships' was of a very serious nature, and the
notice to a few passages which are congument which he (the Duke of Newcastle) tained in the Commissioners' Report. The used when the measure for granting a con
saystitution to New Zealand was under dis
“ Before we conclude this Report, it is with uncussion, was this : “Do not attempt to that we endeavour in a few words to indicate the
feigned pleasure that we attempt another task ; legislate upon this question between the points wherein the University has in modern times Colony and this Company now; wait for shown in the spirit of her administration her wilfurther information; do not prejudge the lingness to enlarge the cycle of her studies, and to question, and impose a tax upon the people modify her institutions so far as the rigid severity for the liquidation of a debt which they supplied by our evidence that the University has
of her laws permitted. We have abundant proofs say they are not liable to pay until you been liberal in the general administration of her have heard their remonstrances, and until funds, not husbanding them parsimoniously, but you have an opportunity of investigating bestowing them to the very limits of her power the grave charges which the colonists upon objects of great academical importance.
Nor should we fail to notice the vote of a comhave made against the New Zealand Committee to revise the statutes of the University, pany.'
That was precisely the argu- with a view to petitioning Your Majesty for Your ment he used; and but for the conduct of Royal sanction to an amended code of University the Government, he believed that part of laws. This committee was voted by the Senate the measure would never have passed into
some time before the issue of a Royal Commission
had been by any one anticipated. That the Unia law. He did not mean to say that the versity was ready to enlarge its cycle of studies, noble Earl or the right hon. Gentleman is proved by its instituting new triposes of the the Secretary of State for the Colonies moral and natural sciences, and thus affording to (Sir J. Pakington) were, solely or originally,
most of the professors an extended field of usefulresponsible for the legislation in question; leges, which in several instances have, at a great
A like spirit has been shown by the colhe was ready to admit that the same view cost, and no small sacrifice of personal interests, which they had taken of it was taken by enlarged their buildings, and in all cases shown the noble Earl recently at the head of the themselves careful guardians of their corporate Colonial Office (Earl Grey); but it would property, by foregoing a part of the income of the be a novel doctrine if a Government should fit of the society. Many of the colleges also have
existing body, with a view to the prospective beneintroduce a measure of legislation in that sought wholesome modifications of their statutes,
given up valueless or injurious privileges, and the Name of the Lord proposing the Question, gone to the full extent of their powers in obtaining and the respective Votes thereupon of each Lord the removal of restrictions which prejudicially present, be entered on the Minutes of Evidence, limited the free election to their fellowships and or on the Minutes of the Proceedings of the Comscholarships. All these were spontaneous acts, mittee (as the case may be), and reported to the and in the right direction. We regard them as House on the report of such Committee." the marks of a wise and honourable spirit, and they The noble Earl referred to the alterations have been in good part suggestive to ourselves of the reforms we have ventured to recommend." adopted by the other House in reference
to the record of the proceedings of Select In another part of their Report the Com-Committees; and said that à Committee missioners observe as follows:
of their Lordships' House was appointed “ One happy circumstance in the position of the last year to consider how far those alteraUniversity is deserving of special comment. A tions would be applicable to the Commitgreat majority of the college fellowships have long been open to free competition ; this has given to tees of the Lords. As Chairman of the the University a high moral elevation, and con- Committee he communicated with the tributed in a high degree to make her the honoured Speaker of the House of Commons, who instrument of public good. The same condition told him that from what he had heard he marks the distribution of many valued University prizes. It is, we think, this fact which has called understood the alterations worked admiraforth a high sentiment of honour, and an unbend- bly; and, having received the evidence of ing sense of public duty on the part of the govern- some Members of the other House, the ing powers and examiners, whether of the colleges Committee reported on the subject. He or of the University. That the rewards of com: moved their Lordships to agree to the now so deeply penetrating the moral life of Cam- recommendations of the Committee, with bridge, that its violation seems almost beyond the some alterations. On that occasion he was region of thought.
defeated, it being argued that it was not “What above all other things gives us hope for desirable to decide so hastily, as the evithe future good of Cambridge, is the manly, free, dence had not been laid before their Lordand truth-loving character of her sons, springing in part, at least , from her collegiate system, the ships.
The evidence was now in their character of her studies, and the uprightness of hands, and would be found strongly in faher administration, producing in return confidence vour of the Motion he proposed. He was and goodwill on the part of those committed to her care.
In all her members she believes that aware that one objection to the Motion she possesses a body of men, who, strong in their was, that it was the practice of their historical remembrances. cling to what is truly Lordships to assimilate the proceedings of good, would seek for no needless change, and Committees as much as possible to the would admit of no change which had not the fair proceedings of the whole House, and that promise of scientific, moral, and religious benefit."
no divisions were ever recorded in their My Lords, as one of the oldest mem- Lordships' journals. But he did not see bers of the University of Cambridge-the great virtue of the existing regulahaving been a member of the Synod of tion with respect to the whole House; for that body for nearly sixty years—having he thought that House, like every other represented the University of Cambridge body, would gain by publicity. He called in successive Parliaments -- and holding, their Lordships' attention, however, to the at present, a high office in that learned fact that not only what was said in that society-I thought it my duty to read House was recorded in the public newspathese passages from the Report of the pers, but it was the practice of two noble Commissioners, as affording the best an- Peers, having a sort of semi-official posiswer to the charges, so often reiterated, to tion, to make out a list of divisions, which which I have referred, and which, I am appeared first of all in the newspapers, sure, can have risen only from entire igno. and afterwards in Hansard. It might be rance of what is passing within the walls said by some that there was no occasion of the University, and of the exertions to publish the divisions in their Lordships' made by that learned body to improve and House, as their Lordships represented no extend, as far as their limited authority ad- constituencies. Nobody, at any rate, mits, the benefits of that noble institution. would deny that their Lordships were I hope your Lordships will excuse me for amenable to public opinion. However, the this intrusion.
same argument did not apply to Commit
tees, as they were composed of Peers deleSELECT COMMITTEES.
gated by their Lordships; and it was deEARL GRANVILLE moved
sirable that their Lordships should know “ That, in the event of a division taking place how the majority and minority were comin any Select Committee, the Question proposed, posed. He recollected that in one of the
most numerously attended Committees of Committees of that House. When their that House a Report was prepared by the Lordships delegated a certain number of Marquess of Lansdowne, as representing its Members as a Committee to consider a the opinions of the then existing Govern- particular question, the Report which they ment. Now, whether that Report was made was the Report of the Committee, wrong or right, as it was in conformity and was so regarded by the House. But with the existing legislation on the sub- the effect of the alteration would be, that ject, some record of it ought to have been everybody's opinion would be given as well retained; and it surely would have been as that of the majority. He would cerof interest to their Lordships and the pub- taiely say “No!” to the Resolution, lic to know what it contained, and what though he would not divide the House on the opinion of the minority was on the the subject. subject to which it referred. It was also On Question, agreed to. of importance to know in what way par- House adjourned to Thursday next. ticular paragraphs and recommendations in a report were carried—whether by a large or small majority, and in what way the
HOUSE OF COMMONS, Members voted; for it might happen that their Lordships would not give the same Tuesday, December 7, 1852. weight to the views of persons forming the majority which they did to those of the MINUTES.) NEw MEMBER SWORN.- For Peterminority. When examined before the borough, George Hammond Whalley, esq. Committee to which he had already re
Public Bills. — 1° County Rates and Expendiferred, Sir James Graham stated that the
2° Land Improvement (Ireland); Leasing change which had taken place in the prac- Powers (Ireland); Landlord and Tenant (Iretice of Committees of the other House had land); Tenant Right (Ireland).
3° Commons Inclosure. been productive of unmixed good, and had proved most salutary in its results--one of the great advantages being that a minority
POOR LAW ADMINISTRATION. had the opportunity afforded them of ma- MR. WALTER begged to ask whether king known their views. He had no hesi- the attention of the President of the Poor tation in saying that there was no depart- Law Board had been drawn to a case, ment of the business of their Lordships' reported in last Saturday's papers of a House that was more likely to do credit to circumstance that had occurred in refertheir Lordships in the eyes of the public ence to a poor young woman who, in the than the labours of their Select Commit- last stage of pregnancy, and utterly destitees. From the knowledge, the experience, tute, had been, as was alleged, refused and the ability of those who usually served admittance into Lambeth workhouse ? He on those Committees, they were peculiarly wished also to ask the right hon. Gentlefitted to go into the investigations for which man whether the Poor Law Board had not they were instituted; and as they ex- the power to compel the Guardians to do amined witnesses on oath—which was not their duty in such cases as that reported, the case in the Committees of the other without the intervention of the police; House-he believed that the publication of and, further, whether, if the right hon. their proceedings would go far to keep up Gentleman had noticed the case, he had and increase the estimation which their taken any steps in the matter? Lordships held in public opinion. He be- Sir JOHN TROLLOPE said, he had lieved the opinion of the public was very seen the report referred to, and bad dimuch influenced in the case of public rected inquiries to be made into the whole bodies, as in individuals, by what took case. Mr. Hall, the Metropolitan Poor place in small as well as in great affairs ; | Law Inspector, had that day, by his inand, if their Lordships opposed the Reso-structions, proceeded to Lambeth worklution which he now proposed, it might lead house to investigate the matter, and to to an opinion—which was the very reverse report the result of his inquiries to the of the fact—that their Lordships were op- Poor Law Board; but when he (Sir J. posed to the safest and most necessary Trollope) left his office, half an hour reforms.
since, Mr. IIall had not yet returned. So LORD REDESDALE objected to the soon as he had possession of the facts proposed Resolution, on the ground that it himself, he should be ready to state them would entirely alter the character of the to the House. As to any power in the Board of Guardians to call in the authority next thing which the Committee should of the police to aid them in their duty, he consider was, whether postage should be knew of no such power, which he con- paid upon such papers as were sent to ceived would be wholly opposed to the them. He thought that they should exact entire spirit of the Poor Law Act. some trifling postage.
might be made permanent, and should PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS. from time to time select the papers that MR. TUFNELL said, he rose to move should be distributed in the manner he for a Select Committee to inquire into the proposed. He also thought, that, upon expediency of distributing a selection from the dissolution of a society, these books the Reports and Returns printed by order should be distributed to other institutions, of the House of Commons, amongst the or disposed of as the House might think Literary and Scientific Institutions of the proper.
He was desirous that full in. United Kingdom. The hon. Gentleman formation should be given to the people said, that his proposition was confined upon the subject of finance, and colonisato a selection of the Parliamentary Re. tion. A selection of Parliamentary Reports and Papers-for to send down all ports and Papers such as he proposed, those documents to any institution would would, he was satisfied, be hailed as of the be to overwhelm it—as the Members of highest value and interest by the instituthe House were— — with a mass of papers
tions in whose behalf he spoke, and would a considerable portion of which would be tend in a marked manner to diffuse among utterly useless. 'Indeed, he should be very the people sound political information upon glad to have the principle of selection ex- all the great subjects of national concern. tended to the documents printed for the They would show, too, that the representause of Parliament itself; for, though no- tives of the people, besides their attenthing could exceed the value and interest dance and debates in that House, were arof much that was printed in the “ blue duously engaged throughout the Session in books” and papers, there could be no the development of information essential doubt that a great deal was printed need for the public service. As he understood lessly. From 1731 to 1800 there were that the Government did not intend to opprinted 110 volumes, and from 1801 down pose the appointment of a Committee, he to the present time there were printed would not detain the House further, but 1,794 volumes, not a few of which might trusted that means would be devised for have been very well dispensed with. In carrying out a measure which he was con1800 the annual number of volumes print- vinced would tend to rivet more firmly the ed by the House was 20, now it was 60. links that connected that House with the He proposed that the Committee should most intelligent classes of the community. lay down some rule as to what institutions MR. EWART secouded the Motion. should be entitled to these papers. An
Motion made, and Question proposedinstitution, for instance, ought to have a “ That a Select Committee be appointed to certain number of members to entitle them inquire into the expediency of distributing, gratis, to the privilege. The mechanics’ institutes under certain regulations, a selection from the
Reports and Returns printed by order of the had taken deep root in the country; they House of Commons, amongst the Literary and formed the great means by which the mid- Scientific Institutions, and Mechanics’ Institutes, dle classes of society were enabled to ob- throughout the United Kingdom.” tain intellectual improvement; they were MR. HEADLAM concurred most cortherefore deserving of peculiar favour, and dially in the object of the Motion, but many of the highest persons in the land, would make one suggestion which he and some of the greatest statesmen of the thought might add to its utility. At the age, did not disdain to lecture at some of present moment there was not only a diffithem. To a conference held last year by culty in obtaining the Parliamentary pathe Society of Arts, the various mechanics' pers on the part of those who could not institutes sent delegates. The object of afford to pay for them, but those who were the conference was that such of those in-able and willing to pay for them, and did stitutions as wished to affiliate themselves not know exactly how to proceed, and the should enjoy the advantages which such places where they were sold, frequently affiliation would confer. He understood could not obtain them, because the that since that time 230 institutions, num- booksellers, getting no profit on them, bering between 60,000 and 70,000 men would not have anything to do with them. bers, had so affiliated themselves. The The public were not generally aware of He quite
the low price at which the documents in I not only support this Motion, but take into question could be had; and if they were— his consideration such a means of spreadthose in the country especially — unless ing knowledge as would be the result of they had some friend in London who would such a plan, with regard to local newstake the trouble to procure and forward papers, as he suggested. them, they could not get them. What he MR. MONCKTON MILNES said, he would suggest, then, was, that the terms rose to confirm the observation of the hon. of the Motion should be so altered as that Member for Newcastle (Mr. Headlam), for the inquiry should embrace the question, it was the fact, that it was not generally whether by any alteration in the mode of known that Parliamentary papers were to selling Parliamentary papers they might be bought freely, and at a very low price not be circulated with greater facility than --indeed, it was generally supposed that at present.
they could not be obtained at all without Amendment proposed
the intervention of a Member of that " At the end of the Question, to add the words House. He had himself had many appli"and to inquire whether any alterations should be cations to him by persons to assist them made in the mode in which such documents are in procuring them, who were unaware that sold to make them more accessible to the com- they could get them so easily. He wished munity.'
to take this opportunity of expressing his MR. HUME said, the question involved dislike to the change which had been made had been decided two or three times al in the form of the reports of the House. ready; and he must remind the House of The good old large orthodox folio had the boon which had been already conferred been abolished, and a little, thick, dumpy on the public by the adoption of the re- volume substituted, which was far less commendation of the Committee of which convenient, for by turning over a folio he had been a Member—to reduce the page you could see at a glance whether price of Parliamentary papers to the mere there was anything in it which you wanted cost of the paper and the printing: The to read, while in a small volume you took price fixed by the Committee was 1d. per twice the time in finding it out. sheet, because they supposed that no one agreed in the proposal of his right hon. desirous of obtaining the information Friend, and he only hoped that if the therein contained would object to so small papers of the House were to be more an expenditure. The Committee found largely circulated, that Committees would that the House had two millions and a half be more careful as to the extent of ques. of valuable papers locked up, which were tions that were put, so as to avoid collectof no use to them, and were only costing ing together, as was now the case, a quanthe country a great expense for warehouse tity of unreadable stuff. room; and therefore it was the House MR. FORTESCUE, as one who took a had adopted the recommendation of the strong interest in mechanics' institutes, Committee to sell them at the mere price begged to thank his right hon. Friend for of paper and print. He fully agreed in this attempt to extend a new class of the desirableness of giving every publicity reading to them. It was said, that judg. to all the information that came before the ing from the decline in the circulation of House, and which could not be collected Chambers's Journal, the Penny Magazine, by any other means; and it was upon that and similar publications, the principal readprinciple that he had always been favour-ing the working classes now cared for able to removal of the tax on newspapers. was political; and if that were so, care He was pleased that his right hon. Friend should be taken that that kind of reading had brought the subject forward; and he should be of the best quality. He cordicould not help pressing on the Chancellor ally approved of the Motion, as he thought of the Exchequer, that if he was sincere the perusal of these papers would show in the speech he had made last night, the working classes that more was done in there was a tax which he might take off, the House than mere talking and debating, and which would have the effect of adding and the information contained in them greatly to the knowledge of the people. would tend to correct many crude and misLet the local newspapers, so long as they chievous ideas. were confined to their own locality, be free The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE. from stamps, and only let them be stamp-QUER said, there could be no doubt that ed when they were sent through the post. the Parliamentary literature of this country He hoped the right hon. Gentleman would was one of the most remarkable features