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prints, that great injury had been done to the terms of this Motion when he informed certain lines of railway within the last few them that the fact was, the Post Office days, in consequence of the heavy rains, authorities had used the greatest possible and in certain districts great inconvenience exertions to expedite the conveyance of the Fas occasioned, not only by the stopping mails. He had just received a communiof the regular communications, but also by cation which stated that the day mail from the delay of the usual mails. It appeared Leicester had arrived on that day without to him that there was some want of proper the delay of a single hour. Under such caution on the part of the Post Office au- circumstances he thought that the hon. thorities in not forwarding the mails with Gentleman would not think it necessary that expedition which they might have to persevere in his Motion. used; for even though some of the great Motion, by leave, withdrawn. lines had been damaged, the mails should have been forwarded in the old way-by
INDIAN TERRITORIES. the turnpike roads—until they had reached MR. HERRIES moved that the Select such parts of the railway as might be Committee on Indian Territories do consist made available for communicating with the of thirty-one Members. metropolis. During the last week several SIR HENRY WILLOUGHBY begged lines of railway in the Midland Counties to suggest that the name of Sir Thomas Fere, he believed, stopped, in consequence Herbert Maddock be added to the Comof the damage that was done to them. At mittee, as the hon. Member was thoroughly one place in particular within about four conversant with the subject, having resided or five miles of Leicester a viaduct was for several years in India. carried away, which was not likely to be MR. JOHN MACGREGOR said, he had restored for about a fortnight or three intended to move the addition of two or weeks. The greatest inconvenience had three names to the Committee, in order arisen, in consequence, to the people of that the great commercial ports might be Leicester, from the non-adoption of proper represented ; but when he saw the names measures for the forwarding of the mails of the eminent persons nominated, he by some other route. He knew himself of thought it unnecessary to persist in that letters containing intelligence of the deepest intention. importance and interest, posted in Leices- MR. HUME said, he thought that all ter on Friday, not reaching London until the new Members of the Committee should Monday morning. The day mail, which be put into possession of the whole evidence was forwarded from London on Saturday which had come before the former Commorning, did not reach Leicester until mittee on this subject. He wished to seven o'clock in the evening. Now where know whether any steps had been taken there was another line open, the mails by the Government towards effecting this might have been conveyed at almost the object ? same degree of speed with which they Sir THOMAS MADDOCK said, he were forwarded for many years past. would also beg to suggest that natives of He was informed that the great line of India capable of affording valuable inforcommunication near Tamworth had been mation to the Select Committee should stopped by an injury which had occurred be summoned to give evidence before it. to a bridge in the neighbourhood. He He was aware that among the educated wished to call public attention to the sub- inhabitants there was a large proportion of ject, and more particularly to urge that Hindoos who were precluded by the preeverything should be done to facilitate the judices of caste from undertaking a sea conveyance of the mails. He should con- voyage. But there were many who would clude by moving that the Postmaster Ge- not be so precluded could give evidence neral be requested to order that the day before the Committee ; and he imagined mail between London and Leicester should with respect to the others that there could be conveyed by way of Peterborough, be no serions difficulty in obtaining the Stamford, and Melton Mowbray, until testimony of those Hindoo gentlemen of the line of railway between Leicester and attainments and qualifications on the spot Rugby (which has been stopped in conse- in India. That was the more important, quence of the injury done to it, caused by because the evidence that had already been the late heavy rains) be re-opened. given, and the evidence which would in all
MR. G. A. HAMILTON said, he was probability be taken by the present Comsure that the House would not agree in mittee, had been and would be derived from persons who had been officially en- pense. The department upon whom the gaged in the administration of the affairs trust was devolved should be prepared to of India, whether in this country or in that. I lay before them an estimate in some deIt might be very useful that the evidence gree approximating to the amount. of all experienced persons should be made
The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE. available for laying down the plan so far as QUER said, he had not forgotten the inticoncerned the machinery of Government; mation given some days ago by his hon. but in reference to all those matters which Friend the Member for Montrose, but, had regard to the welfare and happiness of the people of India, on which it was really nected with this solemnity, it was quite
from the pressure of circumstances conthe great primary duty of the Government impossible to lay an estimate before the in this country to legislate, their legislation House. could not be either complete or satisfactory unless the class of natives of India to whom
MR. HUME said, that if the public he had referred were furnished with an money could not be accounted for, it apopportunity of giving evidence before the peared to him there must be great blame Committee.
somewhere. MR. HERRIES said, with reference to The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEthe suggestion of the hon. Member for QUER said, his hon. Friend had greatly Montrose (Mr. Hume), the best mode of misconstrued what he had stated, in supproceeding would be to leave the matter posing that the public money could not be to the Committee themselves, who would accounted for. If the public money were know what was necessary for the require- expended in this manner, it would be acments of the House; and with regard to counted for to the last shilling; but, from the observations which had fallen from the the pressure of circumstances, it was imhon. Member for Rochester (Sir T. Mad- possible at the present moment to lay an dock), it would be the duty of the Com- estimate before the House. mittee to determine what witnesses they LORD DUDLEY STUART thought the should bring before them, and what evi- House had heard a most extraordinary dence bearing upon the inquiry it would be statement from the Chancellor of the Exdesirable to have.
chequer, and that they had been treated in Motion for nominating the Committee a most extraordinary way by the refusal was then agreed to.
given to the request of his hon. Friend that
an estimate should be laid on the table of FUNERAL OF THE DUKE OF the House. With regard to the expenses WELLINGTON.
of the funeral of the late Duke of WelOn the Order of the Day for going into lington, all persons in the country were Committee of Supply,
unanimous in wishing, by every possible MR. HUME said, before the Order of means, to testify their respect for the methe Day was proceeded with, he wished to mory of that great and illustrious man; state that he had made a request on a for- but he did not think that respect would in mer night, that some estimate of the ex- any degree be diminished by the constitupenses of the funeral of the Duke of Wel- tional course of giving to that House, who lington should be laid upon the table of the held the purse strings of the country, an House. He found, upon referring to the estimate of the probable expense attending journals of the House, that an estimate the solemnity of Thursday. They all rewas laid on the table by Mr. Vansittart of collected the letter addressed by the Prime the expenses of the funeral of Lord Nelson, Minister to the Home Secretary on the ocand also of that of Mr. Pitt. The House casion of the death of the Duke. In that was not sitting at the time of Lord Nel- letter, which he thought most admirable, son's funeral, and therefore the estimate and he believed was generally so considerwas not laid on the table until after the ed, the reason given for delaying the funeoccasion ; but as the House was now sit- ral from what appeared to be the natural ting, they ought to bave an estimate laid time, shortly after the death of the illusbefore them. Not that he was desirous to trious hero, was, that it would be better abridge or to throw any difficulty in the and more constitutional to delay it until way of a public demonstration, but they Parliament should be assembled, in order ought to relieve and disabuse the public that Parliament might give its consent and mind of the extravagant ideas that had approbation to the manner in which it was been formed as to the amount of the ex- to be performed. He was sorry to see that the proceeding of the Government on this parade, and pomp of a public funeral. He occasion appeared to be like some other of thought all this wore the aspect of impiety their modes of proceeding—not character-/-it was man paying almost idolatrous ised by much sincerity, but to be something worship to the clay of his fellow worm. of a deceptive character. [“Oh, oh!”] He had availed himself of his privilege as The Prime Minister was for waiting until a Member of that House to witness the Parliament could be consulted, and express ceremony of the lying in state. He did its opinion on the subject. But had Par- so from no idle curiosity, but for the purliament been consulted as to the arrange- pose of observation and reflection; but he ment or expense of this great national so- confessed, when he looked upon all its iemnity ? On the contrary, everything had pomp, the feeling in his mind was only been done by prerogative. All the orders one of deep disgust, to see the clay of a had been given and the expense incurred, departed man hung round with all those and now the House of Commons, after emblems of heraldry, with jewellery and being thus bamboozled--[“ Oh, oh!”]- emblazonments, as if in mockery, and all was left without information, and had no to do honour to a being who was placed alternative but to wait until after the ex- beyond the honour of this world, and could penses were incurred. [“Oh, oh!”] It receive it no more, but who, perhaps, had was all very well for the adherents of the received more in his lifetime than any Ministry to cry “Oh, oh!” but he was man of this or any other age. It was sure the people were with him, and having nothing more than a solemn mockery. to pay the bill, they would say the Govern. The late Duke was now beyond the ment had done wrong in not being prepared power of praise or the incense they might to answer the appeal so properly made by choose to bestow, therefore the pageant his hon. Friend,
was a mockery, and ought to be put MR. S. CARTER said, he should be down. [Cries of “Oh!”] Gentlemen wanting in his duty to his constituents if might cry "Oh!” but they would find it he did not protest against the doctrine of impossible to oh him down. The pageant the right hon. Gentleman the Chancellor could only be justified on one of two of the Exchequer. The right hon. Gen- grounds: first, upon the plea that it was tleman had delayed the funeral solemnity a tribute to the dead; and, secondly, upon for more than two months for the purpose the allegation that it would be a benefit to of consulting Parliament, and yet was not the living. Now, he denied that it was in now prepared to say whether the expenses the power of that House to confer any would be 10,0001. or 100,0001., or whe- honour upon the dead, and he also denied ther, as some people said, they would that it was likely to confer any benefit amount to a quarter of a million. It upon the living. The eulogists of the Duke seemed a somewhat invidious and ungra- of Wellington told them that his virtues cious task to address the House on that were too great for imitation. They told subject. But he was bound to say he felt them that he was the greatest man of a last night he had not done his duty to his great age, and to a certain exterit debarred own conscience, in not having stood up emulation. The only thing which the pawhen the right hon. Gentleman the Chan- geant would do, in his opinion, would be cellor of the Exchequer poured out, in to stimulate the military spirit of the well-turned periods, his eulogium on the people, and make militiamen come forDuke of Wellington, and resisted that ward, and also foster in the minds of the which he (Mr. S. Carter) felt to be a poorer classes the love for expensive funenational folly — for he could only term rals, a folly to which they were already a national funeral a national folly. The too prone. He must again protest against right hon. Gentleman said the feelings Government taking a carte blanche for the of a great people could only find vent expense, and then coming to the people in a splendid pageant. If that was the and saying the bill must be paid, as the only way in which they could express their debt had been incurred. He had not that feelings, it would be far better, in his confidence in hon. Gentlemen opposite; opinion, not to express them at all. He he had not that confidence in
Governthought it would have been much more to ment, and although they might not spend the credit of that House and of the coun- more money than the Whigs, if in power, try if the money expended on that funeral his want of confidence was an additional had been applied to some object of public reason for this protest. usefulness, rather than for the pageantry, Motion agreed to.
for their attendance, by a deputation, at House in Committee of Supply. the solemn ceremony of Thursday next.
The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- Motion agreed to; Resolution to be reQUER moved that Mr. Wilson Patten take ported To-morrow. House resumed. the Chair of the Committee. MR. HUME seconded the Motion. He
MR. VILLIERS' MOTION. was not aware that there was any person The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEbetter qualified for the office than the hon. QUER said, he did not know whether the Gentleman, whose devotion to the business hon. Member for Wolverhampton (Mr. of the House had been unceasing; and al- Villiers) was present, but if he was not, though he (Mr. Hume) regretted the loss perhaps some hon. Friend of his was who from that House of his hon. Friend the could give him an answer. He (the Chanlate Member for Rochester (Mr. Bernal), cellor of the Exchequer) had yesterday still he did not consider that they could expressed an opinion that it would be couhave a better chairman than Mr. Wilson venient to the House that the terms of the Patten.
Motion of which the hon. Member had MR. WILSON PATTEN (having taken given notice, should be communicated to the Chair), read the following extract from the House at as early a period as possible. the Queen's Speech:
He had expected that yesterday they would "The advancement of the Fine Arts and of Prac- have been furnished with its terms; but tical Science will be readily recognised by you as they had not, and now another day had worthy of the attention of a great and enlightened elapsed and the terms of the Motion had nation. I have directed that a comprehensive not been placed before the House. Toscheme shall be laid before you, having in view the promotion of these objects, towards which I morrow (Wednesday) the House would invite your aid and co-operation.”
only meet for a morning sitting, when it The hon. Gentleman then read the follow- tions of importance to the House.
was not usual to communicate such Mo
On ing from the Address in reply :
Thursday the House would not meet at all, “To assure Her Majesty that we readily re; and unless they were furnished that night cognise that the advancement of the Fine Arts and with the terms of the Motion, they could not of Practical Science is worthy of a great and enlightened nation ; and to thank Her Majesty for have them before Friday, if even then they having given directions that a comprehensive might count on possessing them. He was scheme shall be laid before us, having in view the sure the hon. Gentleman or some of his promotion of these objects, to which Her Majesty Friends would answer this inquiry. But invites our aid and co-operation.”
hon. Gentlemen must feel that a Motion of The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- that kind ought not, as far as its expresQUER then moved that a Supply be granted sions were concerned, to be kept from their to Her Majesty.
knowledge. MR. HÚMĚ would remind the Commit- Mr. SPEAKER then put the question tee that they were not bound by the pas- that the House do now adjourn. sage of the Royal Speech just read, to the SIR ROBERT H. INGLIS said, that beadoption of any specific scheme for the fore the House adjourned he begged to take purpose mentioned; for when the question the occasion of his hon. Friend the Memshould come before the. House for discus- ber for North Lancashire (Mr. Wilson Patsion, it would be his duty to submit a plan ten) being placed in the Chair of the Comfor their consideration very different from mittees of the House, to advert to a subthat wbich he had understood was sug- ject which he had on a former occasion gested, and which, he thought, would be brought before the House. The House the means of their availing themselves of had enjoyed the services of its Speakers public property for the purpose, without for an unusully long time without a single coming unnecessarily upon the public day's interruption of the proceedings. funds.
During the last seventy years, there had The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE. been but two occasions on which the illness QUER said, due notice would be given for of the Speaker had caused an interruptaking that paragraph of Her Majesty's tion to the proceedings of the House, and Speech into consideration.
then two subsequent occasions on which the COLONEL SIBTHORP wished to express, Speaker, on account of the death of a near on the part of some hon. Gentlemen con- relative, had been obliged to absent himnected with the militia, their discontent self. But, with these exceptions, the atthat some measures bad not been adopted tendance of the Speaker had been unin
terrupted. However, they could not always probably he had made his statement indisrely upon the continuance of such unbroken tinctly. He had, as his noble and learned services; and it was obvious that the ab- Friend the Lord Chancellor was aware, sence of the Speaker from illness or any been fatigued by attending a very imporother cause, without there being any per- tant meeting respecting the commercial son to supply his place, might occur at a laws, and had come to the House thence. crisis of our history when it might be of His noble Friend, not now present, who vital importance to the constitution of the misunderstood him (being of a different country that the House should be sitting. opinion) expressed his satisfaction. But It was in the recollection of many that he (Lord Brougham) had said the very rethe suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act verse of what he was supposed to have said. being deemed necessary, that measure He had said that he was for an extension
on one occasion passed, he be- of the suffrage by all safe and expedient lieved, through all its stages on one day. means, but that his reason for it was not If, at the period of such necessity, Mr. because it would prevent bribery and corSpeaker had been ill, there could have ruption. He held that it could have no been no House; and a Bill essential to such effect, because, however numerous the welfare, and ven to the safety, of the constituents of any place were, there the State, could not have become law. would be found among them a certain numNo provision had been made for the ap- ber capable of taking bribes when the conpointment of a Speaker under those cir- test ran near, which bribery supposed it to cumstances, and he now submitted both to doma number sufficient to turn the electhe present leader of the House, and those tion, and so there would be bribery. As hon. Gentlemen on the opposite side who to the ballot, he had still an opinion against had lately formed the Administration, whe- it on other grounds; but on one ground, ther it were not expedient to provide for usually given in its favour-its tendency to such a contingency. The details of such a prevent bribery—he saw no benefit whatprovision he would not presume to specify; ever that could result from it. It would but he thought they might obviate the dif- prevent prosecution for bribery; but it ficulty by appointing two Privy Councillors would lead to bribery in another formon each side of the House, who, in case of namely, promises to pay on the event of any contingency such as he had referred the election, and thus convert each person to, might supply, as far as it was in the bribed into an agent of bribery. He wishpower of man to supply, the loss which the ed to add, respecting one of the Bills preHouse and the country would sustain by sented by him last night—the only one the absence of the right hon. Gentleman entirely new, that on Evidence and Proin the Chair. If that were a fit sugges- cedure—that he should, before he went tion to make, he thought it better to make abroad, leave not only an abstract of it it at a time when there was little likelihood carefully prepared, but also a full note that they would be deprived of the advan. of all the cases at law referring to the tages of the Speaker's presence.
matter of each clause, which would be The House adjourned at half-after Six found convenient in the examination of the o'clock.
various proposed alterations of the law.
FUNERAL OF THE DUKE OF HOUSE OF LORDS,
WELLINGTON. Wednesday, November 17, 1852. LORD REDESDALE brought up the MINUTES.] Took the Oaths,-Several Lords.
Second Report of the Select Committee apRoral Assent.—Bills of Exchange and Notes pointed to consider the circumstances relat(Metropolis).
ing to the attendance of this House and
their place at the solemnity of the funeral EXTENSION OF THE SUFFRAGE. of Field Marshal the late Duke of Wel. LORD BROUGHAM said, that he was lington :under the necessity of setting himself right
That the Committee had again met, and furwith their Lordships respecting what he ther recommend, That the Lord Chancellor, as refound some of them had misunderstood in presenting this House, do attend in his Parliahis observations last night upon the exten- ment Robes. sion of the suffrage. One of his noble
“ Arrangements have been made by which the
Departure of the Lords who propose to proceed to Friends supposed that he had expressed the Cathedral by Water may be deferred to a later his opinion against all extension. Most hour than that mentioned in the First Report.