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“ The Committee recommend that such Lords / squadron on the west coast of Africa, from July, should come to the House at Ten o'clock, as the 1851, to June, 1852, the ratio of mortality from Steamboat must leave the Esplanade at half-past disease has been 16.2 per 1,000 of the mean force Ten o'clock precisely. Arrangements have been employed, an average which, judging from premade with the City Police to keep the Passage vious years, is below what we might have anticiclear from Paul's Wharf to Paul's Chain ; the pated, particularly when we consider the arduous Lords to enter at the Southern Door of the West nature of the service performed on the station for Front of the Cathedral. The Steamboat will be the twelve months embraced in the return. I in attendance at the Close of the Ceremony, and cannot help thinking that the fortunate result is, every Facility will be afforded to enable the Lords under Providence, in some measure owing to my availing themselves of that means of Return to having made it a rule to change the stations of leave the Cathedral early.

the ships whose crews were subject to any extra“The Lords who desire to come to the House ordinary exposure, but more particularly is it atin their Carriages will proceed by Stanhope Street tributable to the use of quinine wine, the skill of Gate, or Gates North of it, into Hyde Park, through the medical officers, and the careful attention of Albert Gate and by Belgrave Square and Victoria the commanders to the general sanitary condition Street, to the House of Lords. Lords on Foot of their respective ships." will have every Facility afforded them by the Police in approaching the House on producing

MR. VILLIERS' MOTION. their Tickets.

MR. WILSON said, he had been re“ The Committee recommend that Seats in the back Row of the Lords Gallery be reserved for quested by his hon. Friend the Member Peers eldest Sons."

for Wolverhampton (Mr. C. Villiers) to lay Ordered to be printed.

before the House the precise terms of the

Motion which he intended to make on the Moved to resolve

23rd instant. The Motion would be as “ That the Lord Chancellor, as repre- follows :senting this House, do attend in his Parlia

“ That it is the opinion of this House that the ment Robes.'

improved condition of the Country, and particuOn Question, agreed to.

larly of the Industrious Classes, is mainly the reThen it was moved to resolve, " That sult of recent Commercial Legislation, and espeSeats in the back Row of the Lords Gala cially of the Act of 1846, which established the

free admission of Foreign Corn; and that that lery be reserved for Peers eldest Sons.”

Act was a wise, just, and beneficial measure : On Question, agreed to.

“ That it is the opinion of this House that the House adjourned to Friday next. maintenance and further extension of the policy of

Free Trade, as opposed to that of Protection, will best enable the property and industry of the Nation to bear the burthens to which they are ex

posed, and will most contribute to the general HOUSE OF COMMONS.

prosperity, welfare, and contentment of the peo

ple: Wednesday, November 17, 1852.

“ That this House is ready to take into its con

sideration any measures consistent with the prinMORTALITY ON THE COAST OF AFRICA. ciples of these Resolutions which may be laid be.

fore it by Her Majesty's Ministers." MR. H. HERBERT said, that a report had appeared in a newspaper stating that CORONERS' INQUESTS (IRELAND). all the officers on board the ship Dover on the African station had been carried off by address a question to the right hon, and

Sir JOHN YOUNG said, he begged to disease. He wished to know whether the learned Gentleman the Attorney General Admiralty had received any intelligence on for Ireland. In the course of his observathe subject ? MR. STAFFORD said, he was happy hon. and learned Gentleman had made

tions on the previous evening, that right to state to the House that no confirmation of the report in question had reached the justice. Now, he (Sir J. Young) believed

some remarks upon the course of public Admiralty, and, indeed, the advices which there was a general opinion abroad and in had been received from the African station that House that the office of Coroner in would lead to the belief that the rate of Ireland required an entire remodelling, mortality was below the average. Admiral and he wished to ask whether it was inBruce had sent a report to the Admiralty tended to put this office upon a new footon the mortality prevailing on the African

ing? station from the 1st of July, 1851, to the 30th of June, 1852, from which he would subject matter of this question, and with

Mr. NAPIER : Sir, with regard to the take the liberty of reading the following regard to other matters also, I may state passage :

that at the request of the Lord Lieutenant of “Their Lordships will observe, that among the Ireland I have had under my consideration

the various matters which it is conceived FUNERAL OF THE DUKE OF offer an obstruction to criminal procedure

WELLINGTON, in that country. The subject of Coroners' Sir CHARLES WOOD brought up the Inquests is an important one; and upon Second Report of the Select Committee apthat question I may state that I am pre- pointed to consider the circumstances reparing measures which I intend to submit lating to the attendance of the House at to his Excellency. With regard to any the solemnity of the funeral of the Duke immediate measure in connexion with Coro- of Wellington. The Committee reported ners' Inquests, I think it would be more that they had proceeded further to inquire correct not to bring forward any measure respecting the most convenient mode by until proceedings which are now pending which Members could proceed to St. Paul's are brought to a close. But it is my in- Cathedral, and they stated that arrangetention to submit a very definite plan for ments had been made for steamboats to be correcting the evil, and which, I trust, in waiting at the river esplanade in front will be found satisfactory. I think, with of the House at half past ten o'clock in the others, that these Coroners' proceedings morning of Thursday, to convey Members entail a large expense on the country, and to St. Paul's Wharf ; that the city authoat the same time obstruct the course of rities had undertaken that a passage should public justice.

be kept clear from that place to the great

western entrance of St. Paul's Cathedral, FREIGHT MONEY (GREENWICH where Members could enter the cathedral HOSPITAL).

by the northern door of that entrance, and SIR GEORGE PECHELL said, he felt proceed to the seats allotted them ; that himself called upon to condemn the prac- steamers would be in waiting at St. Paul's tice of allowing officers in the Navy freight- Wharf from three o'clock P.m., and that money for bringing bullion from South | a passage would be kept clear from the America ; and as a preliminary to an cathedral to the wharf to enable Members alteration of the present system, he would to return. The Committee, therefore, rebeg to move for a Return of the several commended that the Members should assums of Freight Money received by the semble in the House at ten o'clock on Treasurer of Greenwich Hospital since the Thursday morning ; that they should be 17th day of February, 1851, with the date called over by counties in the usual way, of such payments, and whether on public the names of the counties being drawn by or private account; also the name of the lot; that they should proceed to the steamship or vessel in which the treasure was boats, as far as possible, in the order in conveyed, and of the captain or officer which such counties were drawn; and that commanding the same.

the clerks and officers of the House, not MR. STAFFORD said, that the propo- exceeding thirty in number, should be persition of the hon. and gallant Member was mitted to accompany them. one that would go to diminish the emolu. Mr. WALPOLĚ said, that in order ments of the naval service. The hon. and that a record of these proceedings might gallant Member's plan, he understood, was be inserted in the journals of the House, to the effect that the senior officers should he would beg to move a Resolution to the be passed over, and a portion of the freight following effect :given to their juniors in the service. This,

“That on the occasion of the Public Funeral of he believed, would have the effect of taking Arthur late Duke of Wellington, Mr. Speaker be away a source of ambition from the senior deputed to attend the Procession on the part of officers. The present system worked, on the House; and that this House, on the same the whole, well; and he might state that occasion, do attend in the Cathedral Church of the present Government had not received St. Paul, where Seats have been provided for its

Members." & single complaint as to the freight since they came into office. He would not, CAPTAIN SCOBELL said, he thought however, withhold the Return which the there was one omission in the arrangehon. and gallant Member asked for ; but ments, inasmuch as no deputation from he thought it would be more satisfactory the Navy was appointed to attend the prothat he should bring forward some sub- cession. It was true that the First Lord stantive Motion on the subject, than merely of the Admiralty would attend; but he asking for Returns which could lead to would have gone whether he had been a nothing

naval man or not, and so with respect to Motion agreed to.

the different Orders of the Bath; though there would be a naval man in each class, HOUSE OF LORDS, they would represent the Order of the Bath, and not the Navy. Considering that Friday, November 19, 1852. much of the military proceedings of the great man whose memory they were about Minutes.] Sat First in Parliament.—The Lord to honour were conducted in conjunction

Lurgan, after the Death of his Father.

Took the Oaths.-Several Lords ; The Lord with the Navy, he thought that there

Lovat took the Oath prescribed by the Act of ought to be a distinct deputation to repre- 10th Geo. IV., to be taken by Peers professing sent that branch of the service in the pro- the Roman Catholic Religion. cession; and, as a hasty mode of remedying the defect, he would suggest that the THE SANITARY CONFERENCE-QUARANBoard of Admiralty, being composed en

TINE REGULATIONS. tirely of naval men, should be a deputa- The EARL of ST. GERMANS rose to tion to represent the Navy.

put to his noble Friends the Secretary of MR. WALPOLE said, it was far from State for Foreign Affairs (the Earl of the intention of those who had the regula- Malmesbury), and the President of the tion of the proceedings to omit that most Council (the Earl of Lonsdale), the quespopular force from being represented on tions of which he had given notice with rethe occasion of the funeral, or to show the spect to the quarantine regulations. It slightest disrespect to the Navy. The hon. would be in the recollection of their Lordand gallant Member would observe that ships that in the last Session of Parliathroughout the procession it was consid- ment [3 Hansard, cxxi. 1267], he moved ered necessary to have deputations repre- for the production of the minutes of prosenting a great many public bodies. The ceedings of an International Sanitary Condifficulty was to prevent the procession ference that met at Paris in the years being inconveniently long upon a winter's 1851-52, and to which assembly many day. The Navy he conceived to be fully most eminent medical and scientific men represented in the person of the First Lord were sent by the principal maritime and of the Admiralty. He could also inform commercial States of Europe, for the purthe hon. and gallant Gentleman, that 200 pose of considering and reporting upon tickets had been placed at the disposal of the quarantine regulations now in force that noble Lord for the use of naval Officers. throughout Europe. His noble Friend He was not aware of any other mode by the Foreign Secretary replied to him that which Her Majesty's Navy could be repre- the Government had no objection to give sented except by adding one more carriage the information for which he had asked, for the conveyance of four admirals. but that they could not then lay upon

MR. MONCKTON MILNES said, he table the papers relating to the convention would refer to an Order issued that mor- by which it was proposed to give effect to ning, which stated that all naval officers the recommendations of the Couference, should appear at the funeral in their uni- because the precise terms of the convenform. He thought it important to ascer- tion were not yet agreed on. He (the Earl tain whether officers of both services being of St. Germans) at once acquiesced in the Members of that House were expected to decision of the noble Earl, and left it enappear in their respective uniforms or in tirely to his discretion to lay upon the table their senatorial character.

such extracts from those minutes and other MR. HUME hoped, that the respect due papers as he could produce without detrito the Commons of England would be con- ment to the public service.

At the same sidered, and that all Members of that time, at the suggestion of the noble Earl House would appear at the funeral in their the Chief Commissioner of the Board of ordinary dress — being plain black, and Health (the Earl of Shaftesbury), the resuitable to the solemn occasion.

port of that body on the subject of the SaniMR. STAFFORD said, there was no tary Conference was also ordered to be laid wish on the part of the Admiralty to re- on the table. That was on the 28th of May quire naval officers being Members of that last; but up to that day, the 19th NovemHouse to attend the ceremony in uniform. ber, none of these papers had, as far as he

Ordered, That the Report, together knew, been laid on the table. He wished, with the Report made yesterday, be print- therefore, to know, in the first place, what ed and delivered forthwith.

was the cause of the delay which had The House adjourned at Two o'clock till taken place in the production of these Friday.

papers, and whether there was any pro


spect of their being soon laid upon the commended the adoption of the most strintable? He next wished to know whether gent measures for the prevention of the the convention by which it was intended to spread of cholera, and even went to the excarry into effect a portion at least of the tent of proposing to isolate infected districts recommendations of the Conference had of the country, yet, in 1848, declared their been ratified, and, if not, what were the conviction that all attempts to prevent the obstacles which prevented such ratification? spread of cholera by means of cordons or He believed that he was justified in saying quarantine regulations had utterly failed. that for the last sixteen years such a mea- \ On what medical or_scientific authority, sure had been strongly desired by the noble then, did the noble Earl rely when he isEarl's predecessors in office-not only by sued these instructions? He wished next the noble Earl's immediate predecessor to ask the noble Earl what was the mean(Earl Granville), but by the noble Viscount ing of that passage in the letter which who had presided over the Foreign Office for related to " persons on board in the enjoyso many years (Viscount Palmerston), and ment of good health ?”. His want of apalso by that noble Viscount's predecessor prehension of the meaning of that passage (the Earl of Aberdeen); and it would be a might arise from his own incapacity, but, matter of great regret to the country at large at any rate, be found his doubts shared by if his noble Friend could not hold out to a very intelligent body of men; for shortly them some hope of the ratification of the after that letter appeared, a memorial was Convention at an early day. An impression addressed to the Lords of the Treasury by (which, indeed, he sincerely believed to be the Manchester Chamber of Commerce, erroneous) prevailed abroad that persons putting the very same question which he interested personally in the retention of was now asking. Whether the Treasury the quarantine system had prevailed upon had replied to that memorial he did not Her Majesty's Government to recede from know, but certainly no reply had been the position occupied by their predecessors; published. He wished to know whether, and that, instead of aiding that onward by the “free communication with the movement which would have swept away shore,” which it was stated would be althose vexatious restrictions, they had been lowed to persons in the enjoyment of good induced to incline towards their retention. health, it was intended that they should be He did not himself believe this to be the allowed to leave the vessel, or whether it case; but he thought it would be satisfac- was intended that they should be detained tory to the public to hear an assurance to on board, and merely permitted to have that effect from the noble Earl. His next intercourse with those on shore? Whatquestion would be addressed to his noble ever might be the meaning of this passage, Friend the President of the Council. On it altogether abandoned and relinquished the 2nd of September last, a letter was the only principle upon which the quarauaddressed by order of the Privy Council tine system could be maintained; because to the Commissioners of Customs directing if persons in good health having come to that all vessels arriving from foreign coun- England with a vessel having cholera patries having persons on board “ actually tients on board were permitted either to suffering from cholera, or who had been land or even to have free intercourse with suffering from that disease within five days the shore, it proclaimed to the world at previous to the arrival of the vessel in port, once that we had no faith in the princishould be detained under a precautionary ple of contagion upon which we acted; quarantine for such period as might be and, therefore, this arrangement of the deemed necessary.” Now he wished to noble Earl was altogether inconsistent with ask the noble Earl (the Earl of Lonsdale) the view which those must be supposed to on whose advice and authority that letter entertain who enforced even a precautionwas written? It was well known that the ary quarantine. The last question he had Board of Health, the tribunal specially to ask was, whether any measures had charged by Parliament with the adminis. been taken to ensure proper medical attration of the laws for the prevention of tendance being given to the persons who disease, not only utterly disbelieved in the might be attacked with disease while they efficacy of the system of quarantine regu- were detained in quarantine? lations, but believed, on the other hand, not in this country, as was the case in the that they were productive of serious evil in maritime States of Italy, lazarettos or hosa sanitary point of view. The College of pitals for the reception of the persons on Physicians, also, although in 1831 they re- board ships declared in quarantine; but all VOL, CXXIII. (THIRD SERIES.]


ships coming to our ports must perform land, the ravages were frightful. These quarantine, with the crew and passengers were the questions which he had to ask; on board, at certain stations or grounds. and he would express his unfeigned hope The principal of our quarantine stations that the answers which he was about was that at the Motherbank; yet we to receive would give satisfaction to the were told by the superintendent-general of House and to the country, and would conquarantine that he ordered the Eclair to vince both that the Government was not Standgate Creek, because intercourse with clinging pertinaciously to a vexatious and the shore was absolutely impossible at expensive system, which experience and Motherbank in stormy weather. Stand- science had proved to be utterly worthless. gate Creek, on the other hand, had been The EARL of MALMESBURY said, that pronounced by Sir William Burnett, direc. without subscribing entirely to the notion tor-general of the medical department of which bis noble Friend seemed to enterthe Navy, to be the most unhealthy spot tain, that contagion was altogether imon our shores. Then again, at the mouth possible, he must assure him that Her of the Humber, where the northern ships Majesty's Government was not less anxious performed quarantine, the quarantine sta- than its predecessors to bring the convention was several miles distant from Hull, tion to which his noble Friend had referred and if the weather was rough, or the wind to a satisfactory result. He was sorry to and tide were unfavourable, it often re- have to inform his noble Friend that at quired six or seven hours to communicate that moment the negotiations for the conwith that town. If hospitals and lazarettos, clusion of the convention were not termiwell aired and ventilated, were provided, nated; and, therefore, he was obliged to persons who were attacked had a reason- tell his noble Friend that he could not, with able hope and chance of recovering; but due regard to the public service, lay on let the House consider what was the po- the table of the House the papers respectsition of an unfortunate man suffering from ing which he had asked. They were exdisease, and yet cribbed and cabined be- cessively voluminous, and he did not think tween the decks of a merchant vessel rid- that any extracts that could be given from ing in one of these quarantine grounds, and them would give his noble Friend the sawithout the reach of the medical care or tisfaction which he expected to derive from nursing that a person in such a state re- their perusal. Indeed, if he were to lay quired. Such were the questions of which those papers on the table, he should only he had given notice to his two noble Friends be delaying the progress of the convention. opposite; but he also wished to put an. While he had to regret that the negotiaother, of which he had not and could not tions for the convention bad not arrived at give notice. Their Lordships would, he a successful result as yet, still, although was sure, have seen with deep pain and they might not terminate, as he hoped at sorrow the announcement in the papers one time they would, in the general conof that morning of the arrival of one of sent of the twelve Powers to one formal Her Majesty's mail steamers from the convention, he had a confident expectation West Indies with the yellow fever on board, that seven or eight of the principal mariseveral fatal cases having occurred in the time States would sign such a convention. course of the voyage. The question which It was naturally desirable that the prinhe now wished to ask was, whether La cipal Powers with ports in the MediterraPlata—for that was the name of the nean should agree to such a measure: but steam-packet--had been relieved from qua- at this moment some of the States of Italy, rantine; and if not, whether any accom- Spain, and Austria, either refused their modation had been provided, or any pre- signature to the convention, or else put cautions taken, for the reception of the un- forth such difficulties in the way of signing fortunate men on board ? Look at the case it as they had not been able to overcome; of the Eclair, which was long detained in on the other hand, Portugal, Sardinia, quarantine, and in which disease prevailed France, England, and, he believed, he and increased with the continuance of the might say, Russia, did not object to sign quarantine, and contrast it with the case such a convention as Her Majesty's Goof the Arethusa in December last, which, vernment had proposed. He hoped that having landed its crew at Plymouth at- before long it would be signed by some of tacked by smallpox, had no fresh instance the Powers of Europe, although he could of disease afterwards; while in the Eclair, bope to have it signed by all. When that from which no person was permitted event took place, should have great sa

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