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Signor Montferrato, who was relegated to the island of Merlera under the high police power in October, 1851, that I was willing to allow of his

return to Cephalonia upon a simple promise that he would abstain from taking any part in political agitation for the next twelve months. In making this proposal, I neither asked nor expected from Signor Montferrato any renunciation of former opinions, but made the condition of his release analogous to what would be termed in England, in the case of a man convicted of seditious practices, entering into his personal recognisances to keep the peace for one year. As Signor Montferrato, in his reply, which I have the honour to enclose, not only rejects this very reasonable proposal, but tells me plainly that as soon as he is freed from the bondage of high police, he shall devote all his energies to the prosecution of the work so violently interrupted until it is brought to its legitimate end-the liberation of his country,' I have no alternative but to leave him where he is, until

he learns to entertain more rational views."

Lord High Commissioner of the Ionian Islands. For his (Lord John Russell's) part, he thought that the Governors of distant dependencies, who were called on to act in cases of difficulty, were entitled to have their case fairly stated by those who were entrusted with office at home, and that they should not be subjected to misrepresentation. He owned, therefore, that he was extremely pleased to find that the right hon. Gentleman had discharged his duty in this instance with such alacrity and with such ability. It ought always to be recollected that those persons who were opposing the Government in Zante were not opposing it for the sake of obtaining more liberty under that Government, but for the purpose of severing the connexion between them and the British Crown, and placing themselves under some other form of government. It ought also to be recollected with respect to the powers of high police, Sir Henry Ward had offered to relinquish them upon exceedingly liberal terms. These persons so complaining were only endeavouring to incite the people to insurrection against British authority, and Sir Henry Ward had erred rather upon the side of too great liberality than from any desire to exercise any undue authority.

These extracts would, he thought, convince the House that the object of these seditious enterprises was really to throw off the authority of Her Majesty, and to establish some other form of government. Now, as to the remonstrance of the Parliament, which had not long ago been brought under his consideration, he was surprised to see that it had only received three signatures; but, upon looking to Sir Henry Ward's despatch, he found a full explanation of this significant fact. Parliament MR. HUME said, he was very glad that there was constituted of several parties, as the noble Lord (Lord John Russell) had it was in this country, who had all joined spoken, because he and the Government for party purposes to resist the Govern- were all in the same boat upon this subment measures; but when the remon-ject: one was as bad as the other. Sir strance came to be signed, there were only found three persons who would join in the particular form of words in which it was drawn up. The ultra-liberal party would not agree to any form of remonstrance, as they believed, by subscribing to a document of that kind, they would be ac-it, he had prorogued them. They were knowledging the authority of the Crown of England, which they were by no means willing to do. Now, this showed how necessary it was to exercise caution in dealing with these gentlemen; and if the hon. Member for Montrose had applied to him in private, instead of making a public attack upon the Governor, he (Sir J. Pakington) would have at once assented to the production of the papers, and have shown him that the conduct of Sir Henry Ward, instead of having deserved censure, entitled him to great praise for his extreme moderation.

LORD JOHN RUSSELL said, he was glad that the right hon. Gentleman the Colonial Secretary had taken the present opportunity to defend the conduct of the

Henry Ward had offered to give up the powers of high police if they would give up the liberty of the press, and publish only what he pleased. This was the proposition which he had made to the Ionian Parliament; and because they had refused

quite right not to give up the palladium of their liberties. Sheridan, in one of his eloquent speeches, said, "Give me the liberty of the press, and I care not what you do-I will meet the strongest opposition." So far as to asking questions, they were all witnesses how he had been treated already. He would not expose himself to any insult, and all his questions should be put publicly. He pledged himself within ten days after those papers were laid upon the table of the House to bring the matter under its consideration. As to thirteen Members only voting with him, he would remind the right hon. Gentleman that in 1829 he proposed the repeal of the Corn Laws, and upon that occasion he was left in a minority of thirteen. He

had, however, lived to see that Motion tion of the right hon. Member for the carried.

Motion agreed to.

RAILWAY AND CANAL BILLS.

MR. WALPOLE said, in the absence of his right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade, he had to move for a Select Committee to consider the principle of amalgamation as applied to Railway or Railway and Canal Bills about to be brought under the consideration of Parliament.

Motion made, and Question proposed

"That a Select Committee be appointed to consider the principle of Amalgamation as applied to Railway, or Railway and Canal Bills, about to be brought under the consideration of Parliament."

MR. ELLICE would suggest that the right hon. Gentleman should state the extent to which he proposed that the inquiry should be carried on in the Committee.

MR. GLADSTONE said, he thought it would be very desirable to extend the terms of the Motion. There were other means of effecting amalgamations besides Amalgamation Bills, and other proceedings which attained the same purposes as Acts of Parliament. It was desirable the Committee should consider the whole of them.

University of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone).

GENERAL ANSON said, that it was his opinion that the scope of the Motion should be much more extensive than it was now proposed to be. He should be glad to have the whole subject of the future legislation with regard to railways submitted to a Committee. There were nearly two hundred Bills coming before the House for amalgamation purposes, or running powers, and he viewed it as of the utmost importance that the House should undertake the question, and that they should not be afraid to grapple with it, but should lay down some principle to guide those great companies, the directors of which were frequently unjustly attacked and accused of a monopolising spirit, when their only object was to afford a fair security to those who had invested their money in these undertakings. It would be quite as well, in his opinion, to defer the Committee for a day or two, and in the meantime the Government might consider whether it would not be better to make the Motion even more extensive than the terms proposed by the right hon. Member for the University of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone.) He had no objection to the Committee considering the questions of amalgamation and of leases and agreements, because, in point of fact, they were one and the same thing.

MR. ELLICE said, he had had some

MR. WALPOLE said, that it would probably be better, in the absence of his right hon. Friend, to postpone for the pre-experience of this matter in former Comsent the appointment of the Committee.

MR. EVELYN DENISON said, he thought it very desirable that they should know what course was to be adopted on this subject. If, on the one hand, it were inconvenient to move the Committee now, on the other hand there would be great inconvenience in the postponement of the Motion for any considerable time. He almost thought that the general convenience of the House would be best promoted if the right hon. Gentleman would move for the Committee that evening, and would take some other opportunity of cxplaining the views of the Government as to the course they would pursue.

MR. WALPOLE said, he was not aware of the details of the measure which his right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade was to have proposed; and, as there seemed to be some doubt whether the terms of the Motion were sufficiently extensive, he thought it would be better not to press it at that time, though he saw no objection to the sugges

mittees, and he knew that, unless the Government stated for the consideration of the House the policy that was to be submitted to the Committee, their labours would be of very little use indeed, so far as any practical result was concerned.

MR. GLADSTONE entirely concurred in what had just fallen from his right hon. Friend the Member for Coventry. If the Motion for the Committee were agreed to, he took it for granted that the right hon. President of the Board of Trade would be ready to state the views of the Government before the names of the Committee were determined on; because it was quite certain, if there were one question more than another on which the House most absolutely required the guidance and assistance and restraint and control of the Government, it was the question of railway legislation. The Government and the House together had made but a very indifferent affair of it heretofore, and if a Committee were to attempt to go into the question without a previous declaration of the policy to be

adopted, they would become an instrument | would be desirable without full inquiry, he

of mischief rather than of good.

MR. WALPOLE said, under these circumstances, he would rather not move the Resolution at present.

LORD JOHN RUSSELL presumed that the right hon. President of the Board of Trade would be ready to state what his views were when he proposed the Committee. MR. WALPOLE said, no doubt he would. His right hon. Friend intended to have done so that evening if he could have been present.

Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

The House adjourned at Six o'clock.

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NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND). The EARL of CLANCARTY said, he had a question to put to the noble Earl at the head of the Government on a subject of very great importance to Ireland. A petition was presented a few evenings ago from a Presbyterian body in the north of Ireland, approving of the present system of national education in Ireland, and expressing a hope that no alteration would be made; and the noble Earl who presented that petition (the Earl of Clarendon) gave expression to the hope that the noble Earl at the head of the Government would state what his views were on the subject of the petition. The noble Earl was reported to have said in reply, that it was not the intention of the Government to make any change in that system of education. Now, he begged to state that there was a strong opinion on the part of a large body in Ireland, that some change in the system was extremely necessary. He believed that four-fifths of those connected with the Established Church were disinclined to co-operate in carrying out the existing system. They had strong conscientious scruples against doing so; and, for the purpose of bringing the sysem into full harmony with the religious institutions of the country, it appeared to him that it was most important that inquiry into its operation should be entered into with a view to ascertain what amendments could be advantageously introduced into it with that object. If it was thought, as had been more than once stated, that no alteration VOL. CXXIII. [THIRD SERIES.]

would recommend to the Government that they should allow the case to be inquired into, in order that such changes might be made as were advantageous, and the system of education brought more into harmony with the form of Church Establishment in that country. Perhaps the noble Earl would state what were his views upon this point?

The EARL of DERBY said, it was with great satisfaction that he had an opportunity of answering once again a Parliamentary inquiry put by the noble Lord, whose absence from that House had been a matter of regret to all who ever had the pleasure of listening to him. If the noble Earl had been in the House a few days ago, he would have heard the answer which he gave to a noble Earl on the other side upon this subject, namely, that having looked into this question, together with his noble Friend the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, with an anxious desire to meet the conscientious objections of those who differed from the existing system of education, they were unable to see their way to any measure that would attain that object, without at the same time endangering the stability of the present system-that this they would regard as a great evil; and consequently that the Government were not prepared to bring forward any measure for an alteration of the existing system. But, if his noble Friend intended to ask him if he would agree to an inquiry into the working of the system, his reply was, that if inquiry was desired, either in that or the other House of Parliament, by any considerable number of their Lordships, or Members of the other House, and if a Motion were made to that effect, he had no hesitation in saying that he should have no objection to grant a Committee; and he thought that some advantage would be derived from the fullest information being afforded as to the practical working of the system in all its details.

House adjourned to Monday next.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Friday, December 3, 1852. MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS. 2° Commons InReported.-West India Colonies, &c., Loans Act Amendment.

closure.

CASE OF LEOPOLD DE ROSE. LORD DUDLEY STUART begged to ask the right hon. Secretary of State for the 2 E

House of Assembly. He had no objection

Home Department what had been the result of the inquiry undertaken by the Go-to proceed to answer the second and more vernment into the case of Leopold de Rose, a Polish officer, who was imprisoned in Winchester gaol at the instance of Captain Cospatrick Baillie Hamilton, R.N.

MR. WALPOLE, in reply, said, that after reading the evidence adduced at the committal of Mr. De Rose, he believed the magistrate could not have come to any other decision than that he had arrived at. At the same time, it was due to Mr. De Rose to state that, judging from communications subsequently received, and from new facts which had transpired relative to the case, he must say that he wished those facts had been brought under the consideration of the magistrate, the result of which, he believed, would have been that Mr. De Rose would have been acquitted of the charge then brought against him.

important question of which the hon. Baronet had been kind enough to give him ample notice; and he begged to state to the House that he felt very great regret that the forms of the House precluded him from accompanying his answer to that question with the explanation which it would be strongly his desire to give on this subject. Bound, however, as he was by those forms, he would only state to the hon. Baronet that Her Majesty's Government had given the fullest and most anxious consideration to this difficult and important subject, and to the whole of the circumstances under which the question had been forced upon their attention; and his answer was, that, considering that this was essentially an Upper Canadian question, and that the Representatives of Upper Canada were as nearly as possible equally divided upon the subject; consider..

Resolutions to which the hon. Baronet had referred consisted in a large proportion of Roman Catholic members of the lower province, whose religion had been amply and munificently endowed; considering that the Act of 1840 was proposed and accepted by all parties as a final settlement of this long-discussed and most difficult question; considering, above all, that that Act of 1840 was part of the arrangements which attended the Act of Union, and was intended to guard against those dangers to Protestant endowments which were dreaded at the time of the Act of Union;-considering all these circumstances, it was not the intention of Her Majesty's Government to introduce any Bill for the purpose of repealing the provisions of that Act.

THE CLERGY RESERVES IN CANADA. SIR WILLIAM MOLESWORTHI said,ing that the majority who had carried the in putting to the right hon. Secretary of State for the Colonies the question of which he had given notice, he must first ask whether the right hon. Gentleman had received an Address to the Crown to which the House of Assembly of Canada agreed on the 17th of September last, by a majority of fifty-four to twenty-two, and in which they assured Her Majesty that they deeply regretted to learn the contents of a despatch, in which the right hon. Baronet had stated that it was not the intention of Her Majesty's present Government to fulfil a promise which had been made to the Canadian Legislature by the late Government. That promise was, that Her Majesty's Government would recommend to Parliament that an Act should be passed to enable the Canadian Legislature to dispose of the proceeds of the Clergy Reserves, subject to the condition that the vested interests of persons should be secured during their lives. He wished to ask what were the present intentions of Her Majesty's Government, and whether they intended after Christmas to recommend to Parliament the measure which he had just described?

SIR WILLIAM MOLESWORTH said, he should then give notice that, immediately after the Christmas recess, he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Legislature of Canada to dispose of the proceeds of the Clergy Reserves, subject to the condition which he had just mentioned.

SUPPLY-THE BUDGET.
Order for Committee read.

The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER: Sir, though the House has been pleased to honour the remarks which I have to make to-night with the title of

SIR JOHN PAKINGTON begged to say, in answer to the first question of the hon. Baronet, which had not, however, been mentioned in the notice-paper, that he had received from Canada the Address to which the hon. Baronet had referred," Financial Statement," and though I am and which was founded upon certain Reso- indisposed, under any circumstances, to lutions which had been adopted by the quarrel with the humour of the House,

may make, but will consider all that I offer as a whole, because as a whole it ought to be considered; and I trust that, in justice to myself, they will not, until the views of the Government are fairly placed before them, be carried away by any feeling of the moment, on whichever side they may sit, too precipitately to decide on the motives and principles of the policy which I may now have to set before them.

still I trust that hon. Members will have the kindness to recollect that it is a financial statement which has to be made under very peculiar circumstances; and, Sir, although we have, with respect to our finances, to consider to-night some very important topics-whether, for example, it is possible to make such changes in the mode of levying our revenue as may contribute more to the satisfaction and welfare of the community; whether such altera- Sir, we wished after the event of the tions can be effected in our method of taxa- last general election, understanding as we tion as may remove from various classes did from the result of that election that not an ill-founded sense of injury and in- the principle of unrestricted competition justice; and, above all, whether we may was entirely and finally adopted as the not take this opportunity of establishing principle of our commercial code-we our financial system upon principles more wished to consider our financial system adapted to the requirements of the times, in relation to our commercial system-to and especially to the industry of a country see whether they could not be brought pre-eminent for its capacity for labour more in harmony together, and whether, still, besides these, there are other topics in bringing them more in harmony togeto which I must advert, and which are not ther, we might not remove many wellstrictly of a financial nature. I hope the founded causes of discontent among the House will also remember that, even con- people of this country, and lay the foundasidering the remarks I have to offer to tion of a system which in future should their consideration merely in a financial not only be more beneficial, but which point of view, at the present moment we should enlist in its favour the sympathies are only arrived at the completion of about of all classes. Before, however, I take two-thirds of the financial year-a circum- that general view, I think it will be stance which naturally adds to the difficulty convenient that I should consider the I have to contend with. I hope, there- claims of those who believe that by fore, that under these circumstances hon. what we now familiarly describe as Members will not think it any evidence" recent legislation" they have received of conceit or affectation on my part if I do not on this occasion rigidly follow that routine form of exposition which a Chancellor of the Exchequer usually adopts at the termination or commencement of a financial year, when his duties are comparatively limited, and, I may say, comparatively simple; but, if I deviate from that course, I trust that they will attribute my proceeding to no other motive but a desire on my part, in dealing with these various important, and, in some cases, complicated subjects, to explain clearly to the House the views of Her Majesty's Government upon subjects of such great importance, and, so far as I have to touch upon the point, their opinion on the condition of the country. Sir, the task I have undertaken is, as the House is well aware, not a light one under any circumstances, and even under ordinary circumstances requires an appeal to the indulgence of the House. I am sure to-night I shall receive its generous indulgence; and the only favour I presume to ask of hon. Gentlemen on either side is, that they will not precipitately decide on any proposition which I

peculiar injury. It will, I think, be for the convenience of the House that we should dispassionately consider the position of those classes, and come to an opinion whether their complaints and claims are just or not-because, if we can arrive at some conclusions on these points, those classes who now assert that they have been injured by recent legislation, if their claims are impartially heard, and, if established, fairly met, will then merge in the mass of the community, and we shall hereafter have to consider no other claims than claims which represent the unanimous voice and feeling of the entire nation. Therefore, I repeat, it will not be an inconvenient course if I take the earliest opportunity of examining the claims urged by those great interests which have been peculiarly affected by recent changes in our commercial law-the shipping interest for example, the sugar-producing interest, and the agricultural interest-so far as the latter, irrespective of all other pleas, urges on the consideration of the House the fact that it is subjected to peculiar burdens and taxation. When we have discussed

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