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the jury, that the witness has sworn thus and thus, repeating, as nearly as possible, the words of the witness; but, observe, though the Judge does not minute down the questions; though he does not state the questions to the jury; the jury have HEARD THEM ALL; and, when they are told by the Judge, that the witness has said so and so, they have fresh in their mind the question in answer to which he so said; and that, by that means, they are enabled to give to the answer its precise value, which no one who has not heard the question can be able to do.
You will please to bear in mind, that it was the King who was to decide upon Mrs. Lisle's testimony. It was to him, that the Four Lords made their report upon that evidence, and that it was to him, that her deposition was sent. And, it is necessary for you to keep in mind also, that Mrs. Lisle was one of the four witnesses, mentioned at the close of the Report, as having given testimony calculated to give rise, and, indeed, which must necessarily give rise, to very unfavourable interprelations as to the conduct of the Princess. The other three of these four witnesses, Cole, Bidgood, and Fanny Lloyd, we have seen enough of before: but Mrs. Lisle, a lady of unimpeached character, who had been with the Princess for many years, and who has remained with her almost up to this time, was, and is, worthy of serious at
It was the King, you will perceive, who was to decide upon the value of every expression of Mrs. Lisle, and the King was not present, as a juror is, to hear the questions as well as the answers; and, therefore, as Mr. Whitbread contended, the King had not the best means of arriving at a just opinion of the value of Mrs. Lisle's evidence. The same might be said of the public. They saw only the answers; and, though the Four Lords did not publish the depositions, the depositions were published; the answers of Mrs. Lisle were pub lished; and, therefore, Mr. Whitbread thought it just; he thought it necessary to a right decision by the people, that the questions as well as the answers should be publicly known.
House of Commons, for instance, this is the practice; and, the reason of it appears to be this: that the House itself, who is to decide upon any special report of their Committees, are not present to hear the examinations; and, therefore, must have question as well as answer to enable them to judge correctly of the real value and amount of the evidence. And, as to trials that are published, the question, as well as the answer, is invariably given, as being absolutely necessary to give the public a clear insight of the matter. The fact ap pears to me to be this; that, where the party who is to decide is not present at the examination, the question as well as the answer is necessary to the ends of fair de cision. The Four Lords, looking upon themselves apparently as judges or magistrates, followed the usual practice of judges or magistrates; but, they do not appear to have adverted to the circumstance of the king not being present as jurors are; and, as to the capacity of magistrate, they did, unfortunately for the Princess and fortu nately for Lady Douglas, soon find, that they were not acting in that capacity.
The vast difference between a report of evidence in question and answer, and one only in the answers, will appear in a moment, if we take a passage from this very evidence of Mrs. Lisle, in which, for in stance, she says;
"At Lady Sheffield's Her Royal High
66 ness paid more attention to Mr. "Chester than to the rest of the Gom. "" pany. I knew Her Royal Highness "walk out alone with Mr. Chester "twice in the morning; once a short "time it rained-the other not an hour "not long. Mr. Chester is a pretty young man."
Now, this, though quite sufficient for a judge, or for a jury, who had heard the questions, must have, on mere readers of the deposition, a very different effect from that which would naturally be produced by the reading of the same thing in question and answer; thus:
At Lady Sheffield's did Her Royal High-
When it was contended, that Judges in their minutes and Justices in their examinations took down and recorded only the answers of witnesses, it might have been recollected, that, in other cases, the questions as well as the answers are taken down. In trials before Committees of the
precisely the same in words; but, the im- " flirting;" and, in another place she calls pression it conveys is very different indeed. the conduct of the Princess "ONLY a As the story stands in the deposition," flirting conduct." The word to flirt stripped of the form of question and answer, means, in its proper sense, to banter or it would appear to come voluntarily from jeer. I know not, for my part, what other Mrs. Lisle; and the circumstance of Mr. sense can be given to it; and, therefore, all Chester being a prelly young man would that Mrs. Lisle says here is, that the naturally, in the mind of the mass of read-Princess behaved with Captain Manby like ers, appear to have occurred to Mrs. Lisle a woman who likes bantering and joking. herself as the CAUSE of the Princess's -Lord preserve all our wives from such allention to him more than to the rest of the a scrutiny! I am really afraid, that it company, and also as the CAUSE of the would be too much even for those most walks with him alone. Therefore, though amiable and most virtuous of creatures, the it was the duty of the four Lords to use all sleek sisterhood of Pennsylvania. And yet, possible means to get at the truth as to every as you see by the Report, Mrs. Lisle's evicircumstance; and though they, in re- dence did, in the opinion of the Four cording the evidence, followed the usual Lords, give rise to unfavourable interprepractice of judges and magistrates, we can-tations. Judge, then, to what a pitch we, not help lamenting that they did not think in this country, carry our notions of female it necessary to put down and report the decorum! questions as well as the answers. Lord Ellenborough appears to have thought, that he and his coadjutors had been charged with a falsification of evidence; a suppression of evidence; but, really, I did not so understand Mr. Whitbread. I understood him simply to say; that, if the questions as well as the answers, in the case of Mrs. Lisle, had been given, the impression produced by her evidence, upon the mind of the reader of it, would be different from what it must be while nothing but the answers were seen. It seems to have been understood, that Mr. Whitbread had stated, that the evidence was taken down by the four Lords in question and answer, and that they put only the answers into the deposition. But, this is not the way in which I understood him. I understood him to say, that he had obtained a copy of the answers accompanied by the questions; but, not to say that the questions had been taken down by the four Lords, and afterwards suppressed by them; and, in short, the only points upon which there seems to have been any real difference of opinion were these: whether, in the first place, it was right to put leading questions; and whether, in the next place, the questions ought not, in this case to have been given as well as the answers.
The word ONLY seems, however, to take the sting completely out of this part of Mrs. Lisle's evidence; for, if she had meant by the word flirting, any thing criminal, any thing vicious, any thing indecent, any thing gross, any thing indecorous, any thing improper, she would never ave prefixed to it the word ONLY. She would not have said only criminal, only vicious, only indecent, only gross, only indecorous, or, only improper; and, if it was something, which was neither criminal, vicious, indecent, gross, indecorous, nor improper; if it was neither of these, in the name of common sense, what harm was there in it; and, in what way could it possibly give rise to unfavourable interpretations? You see, too, that Mrs. Lisle must have had some question put to her which drew forth the word ONLY; so that, this word must be taken to exclude all that is not included in the word flirting; and, of course, to shut out every thing of a higher cast than that of flirting, which means neither more nor less than bantering. You yourself are a very sober, grave man, and not at all likely to wink at improper conduct in any woman, especially a married woman, though separated from her husband without any fault of her's; but, would you, if you were told, that such a woman were given to banter, and did actually banter, with a man in the presence of several other women, think it right to give an unfavourable interpretation to her conduct on that account?
The defence of the Princess is so complete and every way satisfactory upon the evidence of Mrs. Lisle, that I can hardly think it necessary for me to say any thing more about it; but, there is one point or two on which I cannot refrain from making But, Mrs. Lisle says, as is stated in the a few observations. She says, that "Her deposition (see Register, p. 466), that “she Royal Highness. behaved to Capt. Manby" would not have THOUGHT that any "ONLY as any woman would who likes" married woman would have behaved pro
"perly, who behaved as the Princess did altogether, I think it right to notice a letter, "to Captain Manby." Now, you will published on the 27th of March by Earl observe, that Mr. Whitbread stated, that Moira, who, as you will have perceived, there was a question put here as to whether has been pretty much concerned in some Mrs. Lisle would have liked to see such part of these transactions. In this letter his conduct in her own daughter, who had just Lordship denies having gone to Lord Eardthen died; and that she replied, that her ley's to seek, amongst the servants there, daughter lived in the same house with her for evidence against the Princess. He as husband. However, leaving this circum-serts, that the information came first from stance quite out of the question, does not Lord Eardley to the Prince; that the Prince the Princess, in her defence, complain with listened to it reluctantly; that the servanta some reason of having the opinion of Mrs. came to Lord Moira, and he did not go to Lisle, or of any body else, set up against them; that he found their stories unworthy her conduct? When witnesses are called of notice; that he, therefore, advised the and sworn as to the acts of accused persons, Prince to do nothing in the business; and is it usual to ask the opinions of those wit- that it was his advice and the Prince's deBesire that no talk should take place on the nesses as to the nature of those acts? sides, the opinion here given was in answer subject. to a general question. Any married woman; not any married woman living sepa-as to the much more important point; the rated from her husband, which makes all examination, by him, of Messrs. Mills and the difference in the world. For, you will Edmeades, on the subject of the fact stated readily agree, that the bantering ascribed by Fanny Lloyd, respecting what one of to the Princess, the talking more to Captain those gentlemen had said as to the supposed Manby than to the ladies, might be very pregnancy of the Princess. This is a point excusable in a married woman living sepa- of so much consequence, that, in justice to rated from her husband, though it might the character of his Lordship, I shall insert not be so easily excused in one living with the whole of that part of his letter which "The interviews with Dr. her husband, and whose duty it would be relates to it. to avoid every sort of familiarity likely to "Mills and Mr. Edmeades did not take give that husband the smallest degree of place till between three and four years
His Lordship then gives his explanation
Princess's family, had, in an examination to which I was not privy, asserted Dr. "Mills to have mentioned to her that the
uneasiness. Mrs. Lisle might very consist-after the examination of Lord Eardley's "servants, and had no reference to it. ently have thought, that the Princess's conduct to Captain Manby was perfectly inno- "Fanny Lloyd, a maid servant in the cent and right, and yet she might have" thought, that such conduct would not be right in any married woman without exception, and without attention being paid to the peculiar circumstances of the case. She" does not say, you will observe, that such conduct would, in her opinion, have been in NO married woman. You will proper pay particular attention to that. She only says, that, such conduct would not, in her opinion, have been proper in ANY married woman without exception; that is to say, that it would not have been, in her opinion, a conduct proper for all married" women, meaning, of course, to be understood to be speaking of women living as married women generally live.
Is this splitting of hairs? If it be, the fault is not mine. Importance has been " (knowing the Princess's apothecary to be given to trifles, and it is not, therefore," Dr. Mills, and imagining it was that our fault if we treat them as being impor- "apothecary who had bled her) had 'con"founded the names. Dr. Mills was
Princess was pregnant; a deposition which obviously made it necessary that "Dr. Mills should be subjected to examination. This happened to be discussed before me; and it was my suggestion that it would be more delicate to request the attendance of Dr. Mills at my house, and to have him meet the Magistrate "there, to avoid the publicity and obser"vation should be entailed by his being
summoned to the Office in Marlborough"street. Dr. Mills came early, and then
it was immediately discovered that it was "his partner, Mr. Edmeades, who had "bled Fanny Lloyd, though the latter
I Dilcounted friend, said every" therefore dismissed, without being exakinkessary to say "amined by the magistrate; and he was the Princess of" begged to send Mr. Edmeades on anfismiss the subject "other morning. Mr. Edmeades came
"accordingly, and was examined before" presented itself, to throw an honest doubt "the magistrate. An attempt is made to 66 upon her veracity. Mr. Edmeades was 66 pervert an observation of mine into an "endeavour to make Mr. Edmeades alter" racter for dangerous chattering was abso very differently circumstanced. A cha"his testimony injuriously for the Prin-" lute ruin to him in his profession. He 66 cess. So far from there being any thing "had the strongest of all motives to exo"of conciliation in my tone, Mr. Connant" nerate himself from the charge, if he
must well remember my remark to have" could hit upon any equivocation by which "been made as a correction of what I" he might satisfy himself in the denial of "deemed a premeditated and improper" it. And the bearing of my remark must 86 pertness of manner in Mr. Edmeades.- "not be misunderstood. No man would "It was an unmitigated profession of my "infer any thing against the Princess on "belief that he was using some subterfuge "to justify his denial; a declaration little" that of Mr. Edmeades' must have been, "the ground of such a random guess as "calculated to win him to pliancy, had I" unless Mr. Edmeades should support his "been desirous of influencing his testimony." proposition by the adduction of valid rea"My conviction on that point remains unthere was a consequence ascribable to it sons and convincing circumstances; but "in its loosest state. His having been "sufficiently indiscreet to mention his spe"culation to others as well as to Fanny
changed. One or other of the parties" "was wilfully incorrect in their statement ; "if Fanny Lloyd were so, it was down
right perjury; Mr. Edmeades might "have answered only elusively. I have" Lloyd, would well account for what was "been told that some individual, pointing" "at the direct opposition between the affi"davits of Mr. Edmeades and Fanny "Lloyd has indicated the preferable cre"dit which ought to be given to the oath "of a well-educated man, in a liberal" "walk of life, over that of a person in the "humble station of a maid servant. "shall not discuss the justice of the prin"6 ciple which arbitrarily assumes deficien
otherwise incomprehensible; namely, the "notion of the Princess's pregnancy so ge"nerally entertained at Greenwich and in "tion that such indiscretion had taken "that neighbourhood. It was my convic
place, not any belief of the fact to which "it related, that I endeavoured to convey " put upon the circumstances now, for the "by remark.- -This construction is not "first time. A paper of mine submitted
cy of moral rectitude to be the natural" to His Majesty at the period of the in"inference from humility of condition."vestigation, and lodged with the other "The inculcation in the present instance" documents relative to that inquiry, re"would have been somewhat more ra- "buts in the same terms the base attempt "tional, had it advised that, in a case of "of insinuating conspiracy against the "such absolute contradiction upon a simple "Princess. Why that paper has not seen "fact, the comprehension of which could" the light with the other documents may be have nothing to do with education, you "should consider on which side an obvi-" on me, from the nature of the transaction, "surmised. I had thought it incumbent ous temptation to laxity appears. Fanny not to furnish any means for its publicaLloyd was not merely a reluctant witness,❝tion from the copy in my possession. "but had expressed the greatest indigna-"The present explanation unavoidably "tion at being subject to examination. 66 states all the material points contained in "When she swore positively to a circum- "it. But it will be felt by every one that stance admitting of no latitude, the only" the detail has been extorted from me." "thing to be weighed was, what probabi- I will offer you no remark upon his lity of inducement existed for her swear- Lordship's explanation as to the point 86 ing that which she knew to be false. above dwelt upon. He still gives the "will appear that her testimony on that ference to the testimony of Fanny Lloyd; point was not consonant to the partiality and it is not for me to express any doubt "which she had proclaimed; that by the of his sincerity; but, I must still be al"other parts of her evidence she was bar-lowed to express my wonder, that, when ring the way to reward, if any profligate Fanny Lloyd's Declaration was laid before "hopes of remuneration led her to risk the the King amongst the documents confirm"falsehood; and that she could not be in-atory of Lady Douglas's Statement, the op"Buenced by malice against Mr. Ed-posing declarations of Dr. Mills and Mr. "meades, with whom it was clear she Edmeades were not laid before the King was unacquainted. Nothing, therefore, along with it. The King would then have
been able to form his opinion of the vera- " only in the confusion and disgrace of her city of the parties respectively. "perjured calumniators. No discovery In the couclusion of the paragraph of the whatever, that could by the most forced letter of Lord Moira above cited, he com- "construction of the most inveterate, be plains of a paper of his having been kept" deemed injurious to Her Royal Highness," out of sight; and says, that the reason "could, by possibility, be made or pro66 may be surmised." I wish his Lordship" duced against her; and the public will had helped me in this; for, I must con- "rejoice to hear, that this heart-rending fess, that I cannot surmise it. The other" question, excepting only as far as redocuments have been published through" gards the punishment of her infamous the same channel that was selected for the" and perjured accusers (for which, in the conveying of his Letter to the public; and "name of justice, and in the crying cause why his paper has been kept back I, for" of injured innocence, we shall never my part, cannot imagine. It was, it" cease to call) is thus completely, most seems, intended to rebut the insinuation," satisfactorily and happily, set for in the Princess's defence, against him as ever at rest. May this joyous result having been a participator in a conspiracy" prove the first step towards the respect against her. But, it was, at any rate, in" which justice and propriety require to be the hands of his friends, the present mi-" shewn to this illustrious Lady; and still' nisters, under whom he is serving in a "further we pray, may it be the happy' very high situation. He has, certainly," prelude to the re-establishment of connot to blame his old friends and colleagues," cord, peace, and bliss, among all the the Whigs, for keeping this paper back." branches of that Illustrious Family, în The fault, if it lie any where, must lie" whose tranquillity and happiness every amongst those with whom he has, for some "good and loyal subject must feel so deep time past, been connected; and, there- "and serious an interest." fore, he has, in some sort, himself only to blame.
Before I conclude this my last letter upon the subject, I must observe to you, that there never was, perhaps, any one occasion, in which public opinion was so decided and unanimous as upon this. There is not a creature to be found, in any rank of life, who is not on the side of the Princess; who does not regard her as the most calumniated of women, and who does not hold her base assailants in detestation. You will recollect the passages, which, in my first Letters upon the subject, I quoted from our hired news-papers, reviling the advisers of the Princess; calling them a disloyal faction; attributing to her rashness, weakness, folly, and even impudence; menacing her with a fresh inquiry; and, in short, abusing every person, who, in any way, seemed to take her part. You will remember, on the other hand, that I said, she was pursuing good advice, and that the result would prove the advantages of her showing her resolution no longer to submit in silence.
Now, hear the language of one of those same prints (the Morning Post) of the 26th of March" The triumph of the much "injured Princess of Wales may now be "considered as most proudly complete. "All the new attempts to blast her fair
fame, have, like the former conspiracy "against her honour and her life, ended
Aye, you caitiff Editor, but you said,' only six weeks ago, that all those who, like myself, were labouring to establish, in the eyes of the world, the innocence of this injured Princess, were enemies of the Royal Family, and belonged to a desperate and bloody-minded faction; aye, and it is only your own baseness, your base fear of the effects of popular hatred, that has induced you to change your tone.
Well, but the "joyous result" of which you are speaking, is the first step, it seems,
which justice and propriety require to be "shown to this illustrious Lady." What is the second? Why, that which I proposed more than a year ago; namely, the enabling of Her Royal Highness to hold a' court. This is as just now as the receiving of her at court was in 1807. Her husband is now become Regent, clothed with all the powers and splendour of a king; and, why is she not to hold her court? Why is she to be kept in obscurity? A free intercourse with her daughter follows of course; but, a court is absolutely necessary to wipe away all remains of imputation; to do her complete justice in the eyes of the whole world.
In the mean while, however, the newspapers inform me, that the Citizens of London are about to meet in order to present to Her Royal Highness a loyal and affectionate address upon this occasion. That this is a proper measure, and worthy