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P. He saith, Christ hath not appeared unto the saints in his second coming to them, much less in them.”
A. Contrary to the apostle's doctrine, Col. ii. And Christ said, he would dwell in them. And the apostle said, the son of God was come. And Christ said, he would come again to the apostles, which he did, according to his word; and God did dwell in them, and walk in them. And John in his epistle said, the son of God was come.
P. And he saith, The saints are not as Christ is.'
A. So he denies John's doctrine, who said, As he is, so are we in this present world.
P. And he saith, the righteous man sins seven times a day; and that David nor no man living was justified in the sight of God at any time, so long as he was a living man upon earth ; and that the prophets were not made free from sin.
A. There is no scripture that saith, a righteous man sins seven times a day; and David said his sins were removed from him as far as the east is from the west, and yet thou sayst, David was never at any time free from sin, of having sin in him while he was upon the earth. And God said, "I have found David a man after my own heart, fulfilling all my will.' So here he was justified. And the apostle said in Rom. vi. that they were made free from sin, and were justified by faith in Christ Jesus.
P. He saith, Paul was not made free from all sin.'
A. Paul said he had · kept the faith,' he had kept that which purifies, and gives victory over sin; and yet he goes about to disprove Paul's words, and saith, Paul had sin when he had finished his course.' So his great work is to prove the saints sinners, but they witness against him. And he charges Job, Paul, and David with sin, whom God justified, and said, Job did not sin with his mouth. And though Paul did cry out of the body of sin, yet he found victory over the body of sin, and knew the redemption which the creatures waited for, the “liberty of the sons of God;' and said, they were made free from sin,' in Rom. vi. and they were “justified from all things; and by the one offering for ever he had sanctified.
Because the Quakers own the light Christ, and are come into the spirit that gave forth scriptures, and have heard the voice of the son of God, and deny all them that say they have not heard the voice of the son of God, and Christ to be in them; therefore he saith, they have forsaken the truth;' because they deny them that have the form, and are out of the life, and despise and deny the power that shakes that which is to be shaken; for no one knows salvation but by the light.
P. He said, "God did not come in his spiritual essence with his son
on the earth.' And saith, that God the Father was not in his spirit with his son upon the earth.'
A. The scripture saith, “The fulness of the godhead dwelt in him bodily;' and the Father is in the son, and the son is in the Father, • I in thee, and thou in me;' so he was not alone, but the Father was with him.
P. He saith, The Quakers are lying deluders, in saying the kingdom of heaven is within them.'
A. That is contrary to Luke xvii. which saith, “The kingdom of heaven is within you.'
P. “And he hath not heard of any other people in the world taught immediately by Christ, but the Quakers.'
A. And the two witnesses, as he calls them, he brings against truth, who opposed truth in London: so showing where he and all people are, who are taught by a mediate use of the scriptures; all may judge where that is. And the devil rules such that are from the immediate; and all that are not taught immediately, are not taught by God, nor by
P. This sort of people are for immediate revelation, and it is dangerous for any man to trust to immediate revelations, and preach Christ within man.' And the two witnesses preached Christ without' And this he saith, is a hellish snare to please every man's palate.'
A. And thus he may charge all the people of the Lord who were taught, and are taught of the Lord. And thus he fights against those that were taught immediately; and his teachings, and man's teachings, are mediate, and they are in the snare that are out of the immediate teaching; and all that know God and the son, are taught immediately by the spirit that is immediate. And so it is not a very strange thing that he should give forth so many ill-savoured railing espressions, of which his book is stuffed full, against the people of God; his work in it is to charge the elect with sin, but we say, the Lord rebuke him.
P. And he saith, The saints are not any time without sin, even when they were born of God.'
A. So not knowing the creature's coming into the liberty of the sons of God, nor the birth born of God.
P. And saith, • Sin is in the saints for their humiliation.'
A. Contrary to the scripture, which saith, Christ is their humiliatioe. and bears their sins, and destroys it; which humility is not like man's being brought down by sin, for sin exalts.
P. "That the inward man, and the power of God in man, nerer brings the outward man so subject as to be without sin.'
A. This we say, God wrought salvation by Christ alone, without man's works; and who believe in him, are saved, and who do not, are
condemned; and the power of God and Christ subdues sin in man, and destroys it, that man becomes the temple of God.
P. His query is, “Whether God could not have saved man without Christ's dying?'
A. God can do what he will, who was in Christ reconciling the world to himself; and Christ did not save the world without God. And thou hast shown in thy book stuffed with lies, by the filthy air that has come out of thee, how thou hast been tormented, and that the devil was in thee. And thou sayst, thou art saved by Christ without thee, and so hast recorded thyself to be a reprobate, and ignorant of the mystery of Christ within thee; for without that thou dost not know salvation. And these before mentioned are thy principles, which thou hast published in print to the nation, and all sober people may judge thee. As for thy lies they are not worth mentioning, neither are they worth reading; but upon thy own head will they fall, and a heavy burden thou must bear, who goest about to sow discord among the brethren. But the accuser of the brethren is cast out. The witness shall answer me in the day of thy judgment. Christopher Wade calls his book, Quakers slain irrecoverably, but he hath slain himself irrecoverably, and the same judgment wherewith he judgeth us, he hath brought upon himself; and the Quakers are recovered out of his snare, and have taken him in his own, and have chained him and bound him.
Henry Hagger's Book, called "The Holy Scripture Clearing itself.'
His principles in it follow.
P. David never boasted of perfection, nor Paul, nor John, and luch as say they are free from sin, it is their whole work to carry away poor souls from truth."
A. There is none comes into the truth, nor any soul comes out of he deceived estate, but who comes out of sin, and is made free from t, as the apostle speaks to the Romans, such as served God in a new ife, were made free from sin. And God said Job was a perfect man, ind eschewed all evil, (mark all,) and David said he had seen the end of all perfection, and Paul spoke wisdom among them that were perect,' and said the life that he lived was by the faith of the son of God. Though the apostle had cried out of a body of sin, yet he saith Christ vas manifest in his flesh to condemn the sin in his flesh, and through Christ he had victory, and witnessed the circumcision that put off the body of sin; and saw where there is no condemnation.
P. "The scripture was the sure word of prophecy,' and 'the scriptare will bring men to the knowledge of God.'
A. The spirit was their rule that gave forth the scripture, and the word of God gave them to discern and to sapour who spoke the word of the Lord, and who stole their word from their neighbour, when the Lord had never spoken to them ; where the spirit was in the prison; where the spirit was out of prison, with whom they had unity; and who had the form of godliness, but denied the power; and who were the false spirits that went out into the world, and the antichrists, and the false prophets; and such as were turned from the faith, and such as lived in the faith, and such as quenched the spirit and despised prophecy, and such as despised the Holy One, and slaughtered the seed of God, and such as cast the law of God behind their backs: this was the spirit and the word of God which was their rule, that led them to discern and savour, to try, and taste, and handle; this was the touch-stone, and this was the rule, and this brought them to the knowledge of God. And they that had the scriptures had not the knowledge of God without this, nor prophecy; as the Pharisees had scriptures, yet knew not Christ.
P. To the law and to the testimony.'
A. Yea, as we say, to the law and to the testimony, the law is the light, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.' But it is cried in this our day, 'the letter is the light,' amongst the ministers of the letter, against the light; and they say 'prophecy is ceased,' and so put the Old and New Testament for it, and bring Isa. viii. for the law and testimony, which was before Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Joha. But this is that their ignorance may appear.
P. And likewise he saith, “There is not a just man upon the earth that sinneth not.'
A. Read the words above in the 16th verse, 'Be not just overmuch, neither make thyself overwise.' Now mark, this just, this wise man upon the earth, of whom it is said, "There is not a just man upon the earth, that doeth good and sinneth not;' that was the estate of the law, which Christ is the end of, who is a greater than Solomon, who is the Just, and righteousness itself, and makes men free from sin.
P. I do not affirm that any man can have salvation, by virtue of bis obedience;' and thus you put out the eye of poor souls, and bid thes hearken to a light within them.'
A. The eye of the soul is the light, which cometh from Christ the bishop of it, and he that believeth is saved, and there is his obedience, and he that doth not, is condemned already; and he hath the promize of life and salvation that believes in the light.
P. He saith, The commission of Christ holds to the end of the
world, who gave some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors, for the perfecting of the saints, and the edifying of the body of Christ, till all come to the faith and knowledge of the son of God, and to a perfect man in measure, and stature, and fulness of Christ.'
A. Have you not all denied this work of pastors, teachers, and prophets, the perfecting of the saints, and bringing to a perfect man, saying that none must be perfect while they are upon earth ? and denied bringing to the unity of the faith, which both you and your teachers are all on heaps about? and have you not said that none must witness the measure, and stature, and fulness of Christ, and the knowledge of the son of God, that none must have him revealed ? have you not denied revelation? How have you been in this work tossing people to and fro like chaff, and carrying them about with every wind of doctrine! And that is your wind that is not perfect, that is not in the spirit that gave forth scriptures, and there lodgeth all men's subtlety, cunning, and craft within, lying and waiting to deceive. This doctrine was coming up before the apostles' decease, which since hath reigned in the world, as all the heaps of profession in all christendom discover it, how people are tossed to and fro, and changed about, and every one stands against perfection and overcoming sin while they be upon earth; so excluding themselves from the work that the ministers of Christ were in, apostatized from it, you have denied the ministers' work, which is the perfecting, and
no perfection.' P. He saith, “They call breaking of bread carnal. Faith comes by nearing of the scriptures, and it is the way to teach men Christ, and to convince and convert souls; how should we know sin to be sin, or righteousness to be righteousness, but by scripture? Scripture hath been a fit rule to walk by, and guide into truth and peace.'
A. Breaking of outward bread is not spiritual; the Papists say it is piritual, and you say it is not carnal; what differs priests and Baptists rom Papists? And you say it is not as other bread is; and thus
you leceive people, and make them believe a lie. And the Pharisees had criptures, but knew not the way of truth and peace, nor were guided n it; neither are any upon the earth, except they be in the life that gave it forth. And the Pharisees had scriptures read every day among hem, and hearing not the word that was in them, which they heard hat gave forth scriptures, they heard not the word of faith, and the aith they had not, for faith comes by hearing the word, the word reached, not by hearing the letter: he that hath the word of God may peak it daily. For they were ministers of the letter who begot people ito a form, in which they were tenfold more the children of the devil han they were before there was any profession.
And none upon
the arth can know righteousness to be righteousness, but as they have the